damn you, clarkmeister

[Wynton]

Villain is a TAG.

I get 2 red 10s in the bb.

MP calls. CO raises. Folded to me. I reraise.
MP folds, and CO calls.

Flop 10c9s8c. I bet, co calls.

Turn is 7c. I bet? Villain raises. Groan. I call.

River is 2c. I bet. CO raises, I fold.

[Somekid]

I play it the same.

[thesharpie]

I'd bet the turn. I don't understand the river bet, someone needs to link to the clarkmeister thread, I'm not sure if I've ever read it properly.

I think he's calling/raising all better hands and folding almost all worse hands, probably isn't bluff raising worse hands but might bluff bet if you check, and the occasional times he does bluff raise it's disastrous.

[admiralfluff]

Clarkmeister is least applicable when HU agaisnt TAGs. There is no reason to bet this river besides that Clark sais to. He will not fold anything that beats you ever. c/c this river.

[jason_t]

After you lost the lead on the turn, check/call the river.

I havn't read the other responses yet, but i think you played that very well. I like every line of that. I will be interested to see other's thoughts.

[xwillience]

check call the river, what do u put him on that beats you tho. JT, maybe KJ or AJ, cant think of anything else. but i would have expected some action on the flop with an OESD from a TAG I would almost tend to lean that he was a smaller set or two pair?

ok, the only reason i don't worry about the river line is that at lower stakes i find almost no TAG opponents will raise that river without beating your hand. And many will bet on a steal so you will have to call. The question is, do more weaker hands call your bet that would have checked than weaker hands that would have bet the river for you to call.
If you can give your opponent credit for the river raise witha bluff then you have a whole new discussion, here, i did not.

[kidcolin]

The river eats nuts. He's never folding a straight for fear of a flush, and he's raising his flush. The only hands he's folding are one and two pair hands and turn bluffs, which you beat.

The definition of the clarkmeister has gotten skewed by a lot of people. It's a very specific situation in which you led the whole way with a set.. like jason said, once you lose the lead just check-call the river (or check-fold if you have some insanely good read).

[jt1]

every one seems to think that you're trying to push villian off a hand. you're trying to prevent him from checking it through. That said, I don't see it as a being significant +ev move (even assuming you never get pushed off the best hand) and could lead to great self doubt, arguments with girlfriends, binge drinking, etc.