What ever happened to Mid High

[SA125]

mikel. usually repsonds to a lot of posters. Andy too for the most part. Gabe always responds to Andy, who always responds to mikel., who always repsonds to Gabe. Throw in all around good guy Rick Nebiolo, who always responds to Andy, Gabe and mikel.

Clark is in that loop but has gone thru some stages and sees things a little different now. He's tired of educating the masses, especially when others are consistently posting hands twice the limit he plays at. Even though I'm sure they're far from twice the player he is.

Now if a thread is started by BK or Scheinds, no matter the level of the thinking of the content, it's 1000 responses long. "We disagree. Should he bet?" Razor edge marginal 33.

Good question, sure. Much more? Not if posted by Joe Blow.

Jeffage, who is probably the best mid-high combo stud/holdem player on the boards, gets token repsonses. He plays fairly high and post good hands. Lost in translation.

Don't mind me. As usual. I'm playing a lot of stud and h/u tourney's now, in addition to the boring ring games. Doing good. Eugene, where are you?

This used to be a forum where you'd post and then, months later, the light bulb would go off. You'd realize you have to bet because IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WIN THE HAND. That concept is extremely hard for most novices to understand. Whatever. Flame away.

My only regret is that I've contributed zilch to making it better.

[bicyclekick]

Seems like almost everyone goes through the stage when they feel mid-high is deteriorating. Meh. Get over it, you're not the first and wont be the last to think it. And things are fine.

[jayheaps]

I think the key is fewer posted hands that begin with pokertracker stats. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[DeadMoneyOC]

Well at least you guys have TxRedMan now. Quality baby.

[DcifrThs]

you will never get back to the 20 or so posters discussing hands w/ mason, david, and ray again (aka, early older archives)

there are more and more poeple posting a wider variety of hands and general groups of people who respond to each others' threads with a bias. there's still some good stuff here but not in as high a proportion as youd like

Barron

[J.A.Sucker]

I try to post hands that are interesting to me, and I respond to some of them. Online poker hands generally aren't as interesting, because the games are a little different. You can't tell as much about the players, and you play more by stats and math. I haven't posted an online hand, and I play plenty of online poker.

Live poker always gives me interesting hands. I'll try to post more of them, but I usually forget them.

I think a similar set of ideas applies to responding to posts. The game isn't different, but people think it is. Again, I tend to respond only to hands that interest me, and there are only a few that are. Usually, they are from certain posters. When snakehead posts a hand, I always read it. There's a reason - he's played high for a long time and if something interesting goes down, then it's a useful post to read. If it doesn't seem interesting, you can be damned sure that you are missing something.

Gabe should post more hands, though.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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mikel. usually repsonds to a lot of posters. Andy too for the most part. Gabe always responds to Andy, who always responds to mikel., who always repsonds to Gabe. Throw in all around good guy Rick Nebiolo, who always responds to Andy, Gabe and mikel.

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Both mike l. and I are playing a lot more no limit lately. mike l. is already a top no limit poster but I'm still at the point where I mostly surf no limit since I'm essentially confused. Eventually I'd like to post more, perhaps under a separate posting name since I know I'm often playing against 2+2ers these days.

Sometimes it might seem we can get a bit like a clique mostly responding to each others posts (I mean Andy, Gabe, mike l. etc.) but the reality is that the forum has grown from a small town to a huge city and it's only natural to hang around the "old hood". I know DrifrThs, bicyclekick and countless others are great posters but a lot of you guys play mostly online while we mostly grind it out in the local trenches. With the increase in posting that means if we see a great post in the morning and make a comment or two it's buried by the time we get home. That wasn't true a few years ago.

Also I spoke with mike l. about this and we both agreed that sometimes our eyes glaze over when a hand is posted using one of the converters. It might be old age though (especially in my case) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. It does help when you guys add some descriptive material between the converters output.

Now there are more forums than I have fingers and toes so this complicates things even more. I have one browser (Opera) set up just for 2+2, with a Personal Bar of tabs for ten or so forums I like/need to check out the most. Even with this, it took me months to find the Science, Math and Philosophy forum, which I call the "God" forum on my tab label in honor of Sklansky and "sklanskyanity".


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Clark is in that loop but has gone thru some stages and sees things a little different now. He's tired of educating the masses, especially when others are consistently posting hands twice the limit he plays at. Even though I'm sure they're far from twice the player he is.

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I stay away from Clark's posts these days because his new avatar (not the previous one with that old man!) makes me horny.


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Now if a thread is started by BK or Scheinds, no matter the level of the thinking of the content, it's 1000 responses long. "We disagree. Should he bet?" Razor edge marginal 33.

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Imagine coming home to this after playing ten hours at a zoo like Hollywood Park!


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Jeffage, who is probably the best mid-high combo stud/holdem player on the boards, gets token repsonses. He plays fairly high and post good hands. Lost in translation.

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I'll have to put him on my ever growing list of posters I need to read more. The list is linked by an actual icon on my desktop.

~ Rick

PS Whatever happened to the idea of starting an "over 50 OOT" aka the "geezer forum" or is the Science, Math, and Philosophy forum it by default since David Sklansky, Andy Fox, Zeno, and John Cole post there so often?

PPS I also miss the old threads Jim Brier started. They were always on topic and actually stayed up on top the message index for more than 30 minutes [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mike l.]

"Gabe should post more hands, though."

lmd and i were talking last night about some hands gabe played lmfao.

[Clarkmeister]

I should post more, just to spread avatar-induced joy.

[TStoneMBD]

ive said numerous times that we need a highstakes forum for 30/60 and higher and a forum for 10/20 to 20/40. i dont like cluttering up midhigh with my 15/30 threads because its not fair to you guys, so i post them in ss where i dont get any good feedback.

theres alot of good hands posted these days with the increase in high limit games. high limit threads of the past got so much more attention and well thought out responses because threads of those limits were so rare, not because the hands were better or more interesting.

twoplustwo has covered so many topics and the members of this forum almost know their results by heart. discussing certain concepts only leads to the same responses and conclusions you heard months ago. the arguements for each situation have been so drawn out and well documented that its a waste of time to repeat known literature. as a result, we resort to one-liners to voice our opinion when elaborating on our reasoning would only be stating the obvious.

most hands and discussions worth talking about are of situations so close or so rare that figuring out the correct solution adds a thousandth of a decimal onto your winrate. to many people these discussions seem pointless but twoplustwo in my opinion has evolved so well that these rare and close situations are the only opportunities to say something innovative. that is not to say that we have become such good poker players that there is no room left for improvement. there certainly is and there is by a wide margin.

once you read a thread about a particular situation its natural to come to your own conclusions based on the reasoning in that thread. many of our conclusions are wrong. in many threads there is disagreement upon which line is correct and which isnt. as we continue to review each situation over and over our collective conclusions will slowly evolve into solidarity.

because there is little room left to be innovative, most threads are about psychology or just practicing routine situations. innovative situations from the past have become routine. midhighstakes could be improved upon, but the level of expertise in the game has risen moreso than it ever has.