Your thoughts on Jesus

J. Stew · #1 12-20-2005, 08:10 PM

Jesus just had a purified ego, which is to say his ego was transcended. When the ego is transcended, the consciousness can be seen for what it is, which is pure empty-awareness. Everyone has a pure consciousness which is the same thing as saying everyone is a child of God. Religions are just like different ways of purifying the ego. The way one purfies the ego doesn't matter, it's just the transcendence of the ego that is important. When the limitations of the ego are trascended, the person sees from a vaster point of view. The increase in vastness is really just more of a connection to that which they already are, which is their pure conscious-awareness. So it's not completely right to say the connection is more so developed because everybody at all times is this basic infinite pure awareness, it's just that the resistance to this basic emptiness is greater in some than in others. Which is to say people have varying degrees of ego-imprisonment.

Jesus as son of God could be called a Christian view, but Jesus is no more a son of God than the Uni-bomber. There are obviously gross distinctions between them in obvious ways but they are the same in that they both have a basic essence to them, which is nothing, that they both are/were/am. They both had an 'Amness' nature about them which is the same amness that is timeless, infinite, pure, and perfect insofar as we can describe the qualities of perfection. Sounds crazy but that's the truth IMO.

#2 12-20-2005, 09:04 PM

This seems like a very Buddhist interpretation. Am I right?

J. Stew · #3 12-21-2005, 03:04 PM

I don't know enough about Buddhism to say it's a Buddhist interpretation. I think it echoes what Zen practicioners would say but they would probably say their interpretation isn't Zen or Buddhism or anything, it's just what is. Google Ken Wilber?

#4 12-20-2005, 09:31 PM

Jesus was real....real mean.

And Jesus spoke:

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

siegfriedandroy · #5 12-21-2005, 12:08 PM

you seem like a smart guy, but do you really believe the sh*t you just said?? if so, then why do you believe it? it sounds ridiculous. i am continually amazed at how so many intelligent people can believe such silly and foolish ideas in every arena of life.

J. Stew · #6 12-21-2005, 02:43 PM

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you seem like a smart guy, but do you really believe the sh*t you just said?? if so, then why do you believe it? it sounds ridiculous. i am continually amazed at how so many intelligent people can believe such silly and foolish ideas in every arena of life.

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Do you believe there are higher stages of consciousness? When you compare a 2-year-old having a temper-tantrum, with a college graduate at graduation realizing something deeper about the whole education process and life in general, and then with, say a zen master realizing something total about existence in general, then what is the difference between the three? Is is merely greater intellectualisms? Is a Zen master just better-abled to rationalize things than the 2-year-old, or is there some deeper realization, something that transcends the thought process in general that leads to the difference? Philosophy is good but if you think you are only your thoughts then you are neglecting the thing from which your thoughts come from, which is the basic awareness that everybody intrinsically is, that can't be qualified, that can only be rested in, and from which everything manifests . . . thoughts, emotions, everything contained in this basic awareness. So the consciousness of a two-year-old could be seen as ego-centric, the college-grad could be called ethno or world-centric maybe, and the conciousness of a zen master could be called Universe or cosmic-centric. To see that doesn't require faith, it's direct realization of that which you already are. Yeah these ideas may sound silly, but there ya go, there's a rational way to look at something that can't be qualified in conceptual terms.

imported_luckyme · #7 12-23-2005, 02:33 PM

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and the conciousness of a zen master could be called Universe or cosmic-centric.

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The 'one-with-the-universe' experience the Zen master has can be acheived via a stroke or other interference with the brain module that helps us identify 'me' from 'out there'. Zen experiences are usually acheived by blood flow regulation. Having an experience, this or other%2