99- What's your line?

[zambonidrivr]

I think this is a clear shove. He's not utg Wood. He's UTG+3, and has a huge stack, raising a wide range of hands. I think you have FE here, and calling is not an option. Move it in, and take the blinds and bad steal attempt. I think folding is the only other option, and I hate it here. Play for first, you need to win 3-4 of these to win... at least I had to (i know brag).

[woodguy]

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I think this is a clear shove. He's not utg Wood. He's UTG+3, and has a huge stack, raising a wide range of hands. I think you have FE here, and calling is not an option. Move it in, and take the blinds and bad steal attempt. I think folding is the only other option, and I hate it here. Play for first, you need to win 3-4 of these to win... at least I had to (i know brag).

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You are right that his big stack usually gives a wider range, but the OP said no reads, so we cannot be sure he's loose, and he is opening in EP.

Yes, you have good FE here, but 99 isn't great against the range, and its a pretty wide range.

I play for 1st too, but I don't like this spot.

Like I said, I've been weak tight lately.

Regards,
Woodguy

[Exitonly]

also notice, it's UTG + 3. Aka MP1?

this guy is 4th to act, i dont consider that EP, his raise is small enough that we have FE, and we've got a pretty good hand. When blinds go up, we'll be pretty short.

I like a push here i think.

[schwza]

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also notice, it's UTG + 3. Aka MP1?

this guy is 4th to act, i dont consider that EP, his raise is small enough that we have FE, and we've got a pretty good hand. When blinds go up, we'll be pretty short.

I like a push here i think.

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we have FE against some hands, but i think we have none against small/medium pairs, which is great. pushy pushy.

woodguy, you push TT, right?

[woodguy]

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woodguy, you push TT, right?

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Probably, TT is 55% against the range, 99 is 50%, so its close.

I've been working hard not to get my $$$ in bad, and I've started to see monsters a bit.

Feel free to mock me and call me McEvoy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Regards,
Woodguy

With no solid reads on any opponents I usually go to my default mode and assume that everyone is raising for value from early/early-middle position. For this reason, I could side here with Woodguy because I am not yet in a desperate position. Also 3 players yet to act who I also have no read on. With a solid image at the table and reads on my opponents, this hand could be played totally different.

[yvesaint]

man i push i cant really fathom why anyone is advocating a call then a possible fold

[locutus2002]

I'd call.

You are not ahead of his range (so I wouldn't worry about isolating).
You have no FE (pot is laying him 2.2:1 if you push and he is not crippled). His opening bet committed him against many players.

Both sides have FE ATF (villain has less since hero is almost all in) ; hero has position.

[schwza]

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You are not ahead of his range (so I wouldn't worry about isolating).

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if you don't think you're ahead of his range, you should probably fold.

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You have no FE (pot is laying him 2.2:1 if you push and he is not crippled).

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you messed up the math - it's 1.84:1. 5600 more to win a total pot of 5600*2+1900*2+900. villain has to win 35.2% to be neutral chipEV, so a compentent villain will fold his trash hands and probably stuff like J9o.

[locutus2002]

Thanks for correcting the math.

The intangibles are worth the call to me.

Villain only has to be 35% in the pot and should call with his entire legitimate opening range from MP1. Yes he might dump stealing hands, but without a read I'm going to assume GAP.

On a sidenote I would consider T1900 an awkward bet. I don't ascribe anything to it other than: is this villain's normal opening bet for his entire range of hands.