Who folds this overpair?

[diconoclastx]

Who folds this overpair assuming no reads on villain? He pushed immediately after the flop.

***** Hand History for Game 2422682556 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Trny:14251134 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, July 25, 17:13:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 12908 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: HERO ( 1060 )
Seat 8: drewbert349 ( $1110 )
Seat 9: padres510 ( $960 )
Seat 4: Ka52_Hokum ( $1010 )
Seat 6: HasanHabib ( $905 )
Seat 2: PetroRules ( $545 )
Seat 3: fackinriver ( $720 )
Seat 10: KBH2005 ( $1895 )
Seat 7: tbird1955 ( $1795 )
Trny:14251134 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qh Qc ]
padres510 folds.
KBH2005 raises [125].
PetroRules folds.
fackinriver calls [125].
Ka52_Hokum folds.
HERO calls [125].
HasanHabib folds.
tbird1955 folds.
drewbert349 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 4s, 2s ]
KBH2005 is all-In.
fackinriver folds.
HERO ??

[jeffraider]

This is an instacall that isn't gambling. Also, anything beating QQ here is beating AA/KK as well unless you're worried that they've got AA/KK.

EDIT: You've got HasanHabib at your table dude! Just fold and save your chips for pushing his BB every time, he's folding a lot of hands!

[diconoclastx]

The thing is, there are no legitimate hands out there that you beat except for JJ, and the slim AT or AKs/AQs of spades. Would the preflop raiser push against two players with something else you can beat?

EDIT: I pushed HasanHabib's blinds twice and got RR'd ALL-IN both times.

[jeffraider]

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The thing is, there are no legitimate hands out there that you beat except for JJ, and the slim AT or AKs/AQs of spades. Would the preflop raiser push against two players with something else you can beat?

EDIT: I pushed HasanHabib's blinds twice and got RR'd ALL-IN both times.

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Ask this instead. Would he push something that beats you? If he has TT or AA or KK he'd presumably bet something for value or try to trap. If I had any of those hands and got all those calls I'd check the flop and hammer after I had made some more money. Here are some hands that I can see him playing like this:

AK-A8
KQ-KT
JJ, 99-77

This kind of play screams "I have a hand that MAY be good and I don't want to get pushed off of it/OH GOD PLEASE FOLD AND GIVE ME THE POT I MISSED THE FLOP!"

You'll be shown hands that crush you here very rarely.

EDIT: RE: HasanHabib, you don't make two $25K final tables without being wily!

[lastchance]

I don't know how good this is in a $109, but there's no way I don't raise after only a single bet. 280 already in the pot, all of that is worth picking up. I shove preflop, and I think it's right.

[fnord_too]

No reads but villain has increased his stack a lot already early on.

This is an easy call. The fact that the spades are there, and that stack sizes preclude a check raise, or moving you off any hand if you bet, makes a preemptive bet with a draw or a vulnerable made hand likely. Maybe he has a set, but the stacks are so shallow, checking a set is the better play IMO, or making a smaller bet. Open pushing here looks weak, gotta call.

[45suited]

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I don't know how good this is in a $109, but there's no way I don't raise after only a single bet. 280 already in the pot, all of that is worth picking up. I shove preflop, and I think it's right.

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[durron597]

What I want to know is why you didn't push preflop.

[tigerite]

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What I want to know is why you didn't push preflop.

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I also want to know who voted fold! When I voted, it was the first vote for 'call', heh.