revisiting old post

[kevkev60614]

The two reasons Giga gave for folding, if I understand correctly, were:
1) Pusher is tight, so the range is likely to make curtains a dog.
2) Pusher is tight, and curtains is a far superior SH player, so curtains should be able to steal frequently in the future.

[schwza]

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The two reasons Giga gave for folding, if I understand correctly, were:
1) Pusher is tight, so the range is likely to make curtains a dog.

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that's def. what daliman was saying. i think gigabet too. and i think it's completely wrong. any decent player in that situation will be pushing with a range that is well behind A9s, and hero had pot odds.

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2) Pusher is tight, and curtains is a far superior SH player, so curtains should be able to steal frequently in the future.

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i think the thing about stealing a lot was more related to rojo's supposed tightness (mostly with 6+ players) and curtains' stack. my sense from the thread was that gigabet thought rojo was better than curtains.

[Gramps]

FWIW, I think the 215 public in general has opened up their calling standards of big stack bullying (since it was so effective and everyone started doing it), so while a fold + running over the table may have been the highest $EV play at some point in the past, it clearly (IMO at least) isn't now (against most players/in most situations). Around Feb./March is when I really started noticing a change, following an influx of a number of hyper-aggressive players (who, without fail, would use the "push like a maniac with the big stack" strategy).

[Nicholasp27]

with those blinds, there really isn't gonna be very many future opps to steal from the other stacks if you fold...

if blinds were smaller i could see it, but at 500?

and many people will push any-ace, any-king once itm...

[rohjoh]

I still stand by my original post. Calling with diamonds is horrible, if it was clubs its an easy call.

[bigt439]

Wow. That old school post just blew me away. Either people played way worse just 10 months ago, or people's advice was way worse 10 months ago. Either way, if someone played bad enough to make this a fold at the 215's I would be shocked, which is why I am shocked that advice from very good players was to fold. Wow.

[citanul]

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Wow. That old school post just blew me away. Either people played way worse just 10 months ago, or people's advice was way worse 10 months ago. Either way, if someone played bad enough to make this a fold at the 215's I would be shocked, which is why I am shocked that advice from very good players was to fold. Wow.

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the games were way better 10 months ago.

citanul

Wow has gigabet changed.

[raptor517]

lol, i havent seen this post in a long long time. against rojosox 10 months ago, he prolly has A9 pwnd. he was the tightest prick in the world in that spot. dont get me wrong.. i still autocall.. but its entertaining. holla

[microbet]

This hand is from 2/2005 and I think I remember it. Your reg date is from 2003.