Gives trouble to me, that KQ does....

Eevee · #1 05-20-2005, 01:16 AM

I just watched Stars Wars 3 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

SB (t3105)
BB (t1095)
UTG (t985)
MP1 (t1475)
MP2 (t740)
Hero (t1035)
Button (t1565)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, SB calls t125, 1 fold.

Flop: (t350) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets 1000.
Hero?

And this:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t890)
MP1 (t2500)
MP2 (t905)
CO (t1095)
Button (t1270)
SB (t570)
Hero (t1335)
UTG (t1435)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t100, 4 folds, Hero calls t50.

Flop: (t225) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero check raises?

-EV

mcpherzen · #2 05-20-2005, 01:45 AM

With many opponents (i.e. early levels of an SNG), KQ is uber-challenging to play in a raised pot. Muck most of the time the pot is raised to you, and for the sake of Pedro, don't raise the pot yourself with it.

--Z

gumpzilla · #3 05-20-2005, 01:59 AM

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With many opponents (i.e. early levels of an SNG), KQ is uber-challenging to play in a raised pot. Muck most of the time the pot is raised to you, and for the sake of Pedro, don't raise the pot yourself with it.

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My feeling is that this is pretty buy-in dependent. At lower levels where people will routinely overplay top pair weak kicker, and will play K9 and the like for a raise as a matter of course, KQ is almost as good as AQ (in my opinion). Against tighter opposition that isn't likely to pay me off with worse kickers I'd probably get more tentative with KQ.

Eevee · #4 05-20-2005, 02:02 AM

Yeah...this was 20+2...i was 4 tabling/eating/aiming/2+2ing/making a card castle, so no reads...

-EV

curtains · #5 05-20-2005, 04:26 AM

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With many opponents (i.e. early levels of an SNG), KQ is uber-challenging to play in a raised pot. Muck most of the time the pot is raised to you, and for the sake of Pedro, don't raise the pot yourself with it.

--Z

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Yes, god forbid someone should raise with KQo first in from the cutoff seat.

Nick B. · #6 05-20-2005, 04:34 AM

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With many opponents (i.e. early levels of an SNG), KQ is uber-challenging to play in a raised pot. Muck most of the time the pot is raised to you, and for the sake of Pedro, don't raise the pot yourself with it.

--Z

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Yes, god forbid someone should raise with KQo first in from the cutoff seat.

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I might be in trouble, I have raised with it UTG before.

raptor517 · #7 05-20-2005, 05:50 AM

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Yes, god forbid someone should raise with KQo first in from the cutoff seat.

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god forbid indeed. even worse to raise from the button first in. its a sin.

ok ok ok, ill stop that. KQ is tricky. period. if the player is not experienced in poker, and cant manage to make a fold post flop, then he SHOULD NOT be playing KQ in the first 2 levels. period. the end. allah akbar. holla

curtains · #8 05-20-2005, 05:53 AM

Yes but if you don't want to learn how to play KQo here, why do you waste your time reading 2+2 and trying to improve your game. It's clearly correct to play the hand, and I assume everyone here wants to play correctly in the long run.

Atropos · #9 05-20-2005, 06:00 AM

Hand 1: You have to call. If he got a set/TPTK make a note about it, but against average party fish this is instacall.

Hand 2: Check-Raise all-in seems better than betting, if you suspect that he'll check behind an overbet seems in order, because there are many evil cards that can come.

Dont know if I like calling a minraise out of position with KQs without deep stacks, but that is more a matter of personal preference.

McBandit · #10 05-20-2005, 01:53 AM

Hand #1:

I insta-call. I am almost never beat when someone overbets a pot like this against me. I have to have a player note that they are capable of playing a set this way before i fold. I would call and expect to see a weak king, str8 draw or under pocket pair (or nothing). Is is important to tell us how the guy got that large stack, did he trap with big hands or is he a maniac? If either of those are true, the call is 100% IMHO.

Hand #2

Ya, I would likely checkraise the flop all-in if he threw out a pot-sized bet. The only hands that beat you are the least likely ones for him to have. You want him to have AA/AK here. The other option I might do is smooth call the flop and push the turn if a safe card hits (ie. no A or J).

Good luck,
McBandit/Daddys_visa