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11-02-2005, 01:22 PM
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DERB
Since the new one got locked...
And why did it get locked? Dcifir- is fun bad? This is news and gossip. not strategy, Barron Wow, you give Baron moderator priviliges, and he kills one of the most meaningful strategy discussions in the entire forum. Just because you don't want it to be about strategy doesn't mean that's true. The whole discussion revolves around the concept strategy. Amazing. - Andrew www.pokerstove.com 
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#2
11-02-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: DERB
barron, plz stop.
we like the derb thread... derb prob likes it as well, haha. IMO, u lock threads that stupid ppl start, no need to lock JVs thread... gossip is fun. chill. this is the forum we look at.
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#3
11-02-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: DERB
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barron, plz stop. we like the derb thread... derb prob likes it as well, haha. IMO, u lock threads that stupid ppl start, no need to lock JVs thread... gossip is fun. chill. this is the forum we look at. [/ QUOTE ] or maybe move it to the land of misfit posts, general hold'em. long threads like that are good there since there's not much traffic so 300 post threads don't block much. here, a lot of people post hands and it sucks when they get bumped to the second page because of one thread. I agree it's a good thread since it's starting to look like he might not be a lottery winner
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#4
11-02-2005, 08:06 PM
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Re: DERB
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[ QUOTE ] barron, plz stop. we like the derb thread... derb prob likes it as well, haha. IMO, u lock threads that stupid ppl start, no need to lock JVs thread... gossip is fun. chill. this is the forum we look at. [/ QUOTE ] or maybe move it to the land of misfit posts, general hold'em. long threads like that are good there since there's not much traffic so 300 post threads don't block much. here, a lot of people post hands and it sucks when they get bumped to the second page because of one thread. I agree it's a good thread since it's starting to look like he might not be a lottery winner [/ QUOTE ] set your settings to view more posts per page. 100 is great. edite: format fixed
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#5
11-02-2005, 08:43 PM
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Re: DERB
I'm volunteering to datamine DERB at Party round the clock if anyone tells me what his screen name is. I think it would benefit us all if we could shine a spotlight on him until we figure some things out. I'd be more than willing to share all results.
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11-02-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: DERB
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barron, plz stop. we like the derb thread... derb prob likes it as well, haha. IMO, u lock threads that stupid ppl start, no need to lock JVs thread... gossip is fun. chill. this is the forum we look at. [/ QUOTE ] agreed. this thread can stay open, but at least try to keep it strategy related. gossiping and what not is fine for NVG. taking huge long threads about one poster saying another poster's opinion is not valid w/o evidence and argument/discussion, imo is a waste. that combined with the trend of the gossipy nature of the threads was why i locked them. Barron
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#8
11-02-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: DERB
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Since the new one got locked... And why did it get locked? Dcifir- is fun bad? This is news and gossip. not strategy, Barron Wow, you give Baron moderator priviliges, and he kills one of the most meaningful strategy discussions in the entire forum. Just because you don't want it to be about strategy doesn't mean that's true. The whole discussion revolves around the concept strategy. Amazing. - Andrew www.pokerstove.com [/ QUOTE ] yes. the actual REASON why derb does so well is important strategy. but look at the responses. they are ALL simply speculation, amusing annecdotes etc. further, the original DERB post is so large and cumbersome that its annoying to have blocking other threads from being created and read. Andrew, i definately respect your opinion and will definately leave this thread opened so long as it doesn't degenerate into a he said she said no analysis conjecture and annecdote thread. and i'll start: having played with DERB for a long time now, from experience I'd say there is virtually no question he is a very strong winning player. I have noticed that DERB's VPIP has dropped and his AF has remained constant from the 30/60 game Ive played with him to the higher limit ones. DERB used to be 29 or 30vpip and has dropped a %point to 27-28. DERB still, however, seems to call down with hands that just can't win. ever. I think he does this to prevent ever getting bluffed out of the pot. but eventually he should adjust if he is as good of a player as the rest of his game indicates. -Barron
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#9
11-02-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: DERB
So any thoughts on why exactly you think he is such a good player. It seems like his stats are unconventional but from what I hear he is clearly a winning player (I've never played with him) Is it his image, aggressiveness, etc. Just wondering as to what he does differently that the rest of us don't do. Is he exceptional at hand reading and getting out of sticky situations?
Scags
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#10
11-02-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: DERB
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and i'll start: having played with DERB for a long time now, from experience I'd say there is virtually no question he is a very strong winning player. I have noticed that DERB's VPIP has dropped and his AF has remained constant from the 30/60 game Ive played with him to the higher limit ones. DERB used to be 29 or 30vpip and has dropped a %point to 27-28. DERB still, however, seems to call down with hands that just can't win. ever. I think he does this to prevent ever getting bluffed out of the pot. but eventually he should adjust if he is as good of a player as the rest of his game indicates. -Barron [/ QUOTE ] The only part of his game that appears to be good is his pre-flop play, because post-flop it looks like he missed Hand-Reading 101. It's bet-bet-bet and raise-raise-raise and hope everyone folds, or, call down or keep raising when hopelessly behind and lose a ton of bets. No big deal though, he'll then get back when they go back to fold-fold-fold. I think you could give a monkey his starting hand chart, tell him to bet when checked to and never to fold any pair, and he could have similar success - at least that's my suspicion anyway. There is no arguing that it is very effective, I just can't bring myself to start 3 betting hands that I know are way, way, way behind the range of the guy opening. It seems to work though, you just have to have the cajones to play that way.
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