How to play 'super' draws

ismisus · #1 10-25-2004, 09:10 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (10 handed)

BB (t1200)
Hero (t1510)
UTG+1 (t1870)
UTG+2 (t1360)
MP1 (t3880)
MP2 (t3155)
MP3 (t2055)
CO (t708)
Button (t920)
SB (t1085)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t300, UTG+1 calls t300, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls t300, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls t300, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (t1350) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t1210 (All-In), UTG+1 raises to t1570 (All-In), MP1 calls t1570, Button folds.

Turn: (t5700) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t5700) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t5700

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 9c 426 47.18 468 51.83 9 1.00 0.475
Ad Qh 391 43.30 501 55.48 11 1.22 0.437
As Js 75 8.31 817 90.48 11 1.22 0.087

Results
 net +3830 [ As Js ] [ a full house, Jacks full of aces -- As,Ac,Js,Jd,Jc ]

ismisus · #2 10-25-2004, 09:14 PM

Didn't mean to post it right away...ooops

I have a few questions, do you raise pre-flop with that short-stack or do you wait for a better hand?

I have a good image, but I ran into AQ, AJ, and a whole bunch of other callers. I was actually glad that so many people called, because I was getting the odds to draw now.

On the flop, I was going to go all in no matter what. Should I have checked, and then called their bets in hoping to escape this hand?

What do you in general think of this play?

I think by going all in I had a small folding equity. Also my hand would be the favorite, unless someone had a set, which is likely on that flop. I decided that with only 15X the BB, I have to make a move in order to win the tourney.

betgo · #3 10-25-2004, 10:01 PM

Your postflop play wasn't bad. There are various ways to play it, but you want to raise allin on the flop with this hand.

Your preflop raise UTG with J9s was strange. The standard play is to fold here. It is not good to put in 1/5 of your chips with a speculative hand like this. If the table was real tight, you could raise as steal, hoping people will be scared of an UTG raise. You got 3 callers, which indicates it might not be easy to steal here.

This hand is OK to raise with in late position or in a good steal situation. It is good to be a second raise caller with or limp after someone else has. I would also call a miniraise from the BB with it. I don't see the rationale for raising UTG with it. Your computer does have a fold button.

remen · #4 10-26-2004, 12:20 AM

I think this hand should be folded UTG 100% of the time with a stack size of 15xBB. You don't have enough chips to play a drawing hand, especially out of position. On a huge draw flop like this one, I usually go for an all-in check raise. If it gets checked around, your drawing hand gets to see a free card. If someone bets, a checkraise will often get them to fold a better hand, or call when their hand is not a favorite to your draw.

Lloyd · #5 10-26-2004, 01:43 AM

I agree with the other posters. Tough to comment on the post-flop play because there shouldn't have been any post-flop play. You don't want to play drawing hands from early position and this certainly qualifies as such. I would fold this unless I'm in late position or the blinds in which case I'd want to try and limp in cheaply.

Given your pre-flop play, you probably had no choice but to push on the flop.