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[Catt]

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i don't think the preflop praiser bets this flop incredibly often.

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Really? I'd say it gets bet way, way more often than it gets checked (though I don't have a ton of hands or good post-flop reads on nambipambi). Overcards have a ton of outs (BD draws, gutshots in addition to the overs) and the pot is big. Without a solid read on Villain's flop play I'd think this gets bet by PFR on the flop a LOT.

As to the flop play, I will often lead here and sometimes check to see what happens before deciding to raise or call. A lot will depend on the guys in between me and PFR and the PFR himself. I think the check and the raise is fine; I also wouldn't quibble with a flop lead.

[milesdyson]

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I'd say it gets bet way, way more often than it gets checked

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say he bets it 75% of the time and checks 25% of the time. let's say in the end the flop gets checked through 10-15% of the time (whenever CO doesn't bet after MP checks).

to me it seems that this is really bad.

edit: not to mention when he does lead, it's obviously with the better part of his range, meaning we are more likely to be protecting our made hand against a better made hand. the check raise doesn't seem too viable an option because of this and because i really hate seeing it get checked through, so i default to betting out with my mondo equity.

[Catt]

Yeah it sucks to get this checked through. But honestly, this flop is getting bet like 95%+ of the time. We're first to act, and there is a reasonable chance that one of the guys before PFR donks this flop, a substantial chance that PFR bets if checked to, and a substantial chance that the guy behind him bets if checked to. I wouldn't be so worried about this checking through -- the issue for me is whether or not checking gives us a chance to protect or whether it consigns us to only getting one bet in on the flop when leading might have gotten two in.