Too much? - A8s

[shant]

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However, if you are called, do you value bet the river if it's checked to you?

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I'm definitely behind UTG+1, and I'm not sure where I stand with the BB, so I'm not putting in any bets on the river unless I improve.

[ropey]

I can't believe what I'm reading...no doubt that your suggested play will improve your chances of winning...but that doesn't make it correct.

You have very little chance to win this pot. I think you should fold as soon as the BB bets into you on the turn.

-ropey

[Entity]

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I can't believe what I'm reading...no doubt that your suggested play will improve your chances of winning...but that doesn't make it correct.

You have very little chance to win this pot. I think you should fold as soon as the BB bets into you on the turn.

-ropey

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I'm really hoping you missed the fact that shant picked up an extra 9 outs on the turn.

Rob

[ropey]

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I'm really hoping you missed the fact that shant picked up an extra 9 outs on the turn.


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Yes, I most certainly was. That makes a little more sense. Thanks.

-ropey

[gaming_mouse]

No. Call instead. You risk a 3-bet. And who wants a free showdown anyway? He will keep betting his overpair when you river your flush and you can raise then.

EDIT: Btw, since that card completed no draws, there is no way he's folding his overpair on the chance that you hit two pair or a set.

[jason_t]

I would just call preflop if the table is loose otherwise I'd fold. On the flop I would just call and call the inevitable raise from UTG+1's QQ; you can do this as you'll effectively be getting 6.75:1 to hit a 5.5--6.5 outer with implied odds. On the turn, I just call as it smells like the BB has 87 and you'll have to call his 3-bet with the flush draw. Fold the river if you don't hit aces up or the flush.

[shant]

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I would just call preflop

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Yeah, this is what I should have done because the table had been going multi-way preflop. I think A8s is pushing it UTG.

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On the flop I would just call and call the inevitable raise from UTG+1's QQ;

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I can't tell if this is a joke since I told you the results, or if you would just call the flop anyway. I raised to knock out overcards.

I think I've been convinced that calling the turn is better.

[callmedonnie]

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Fold the river if you don't hit aces up or the flush.

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What about an eight? Are you raising or check/calling fearing a boat to your trips?

[PokerBob]

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Fifth or eighth hand in so it's readless.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

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I'm not nuts about preflop. Ballsy turn.

[shant]

UTG+1 thought for a sec and called cold. BB 3-bet, I called, UTG+1 called. River was a black 2, BB checked, I checked, UTG+1 checked.

BB - 78o
UTG+1 wins with QQ.

You guys were right about folding out big pairs. I think calling the turn is best. Maybe even calling the flop too.