Bubble hand with 10s on the button($55) - Page 4

tigerite · #31 11-08-2005, 02:51 PM

Read up about ICM and then come back to me. You'll see why if he has AK here and calls it's terrible for you, the same goes for AQ, KQ and hell even AJ, KJ, QJ.

redrooski24 · #32 11-08-2005, 02:53 PM

Well at least this hand generated some good discussion. I thought it was really close and I moved the cursor over to push and then I realized that I didn't think too much of my competition and could just go ultra aggro as I have been when the big stack wasn't in the blinds. Maybe I'm tightening up too much on the bubble now since I've been busting out in a lot of situations similar to this one. If lets say, the small stack had ~900 chips and/or I had 3k chips, does this become a clear fold?

tigerite · #33 11-08-2005, 02:54 PM

Yes that's very different, your equity preflop is much higher.

Vee Quiva · #34 11-08-2005, 05:12 PM

According to the earlier math on Chip EV and then using ICM to convert to $EV I got the following.

With original raiser playing top 10% of hands:
80% Fold 20% call
$EV goes up .0023

With 50% fold
$EV goes down -.0053

I think the raising range is a little tight so I tried the top 20% of hands. Then 10-10 is a winner 61% of the time.

Fold 80% Call 20%
$EV goes up .0342

Fold 50%
$EV goes up .0116

So in conclusion, the looser the standards for the original raiser, the better idea it is to push. The more likely the original raiser is to call the reraise, the worse your decision is.

I think I would normally reraise all in unless I had a really strong read that the original raiser is extremely tight.

Jason Strasser · #35 11-09-2005, 04:54 AM

The big stack open raises 4-handed and you fcking fold TT?

Are you nuts?

You should be pushing all sorts of stuff here. You have tons of folding equity. If this post was:

"I was dealt 29o" instead of TT in this hand, I'd say, "This is a great spot to resteal". Now you have the added bonus of having a strong fighting chance against many of the hands he might call the all in with.

This fold is just terrible.

-Jason

bennies · #36 11-09-2005, 05:01 AM

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The big stack open raises 4-handed and you fcking fold TT?

Are you nuts?

You should be pushing all sorts of stuff here. You have tons of folding equity. If this post was:

"I was dealt 29o" instead of TT in this hand, I'd say, "This is a great spot to resteal". Now you have the added bonus of having a strong fighting chance against many of the hands he might call the all in with.

This fold is just terrible.

-Jason

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hehehe. Nice post, it's [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] when someone lays down the law...

#37 11-09-2005, 05:08 AM

Is it wrong to wait to see what happens to the short stack before you start risking all your chips? The short stack only has 5-6 BB. Even if he doubles up, you would still have a slight chip lead over him. If the short stack busts or doubles up from the other middle stack, you're good for the money. On the bubble, I like to see that at least one of the bigger stacks is pressuring the short stack in his blinds.

bennies · #38 11-09-2005, 05:17 AM

It's my (read "Strassa's") opinion that the shorties are not short enough to play scared.

raptor517 · #39 11-09-2005, 05:21 AM

i cant believe you folded that. auto freakin shove. holla

Jason Strasser · #40 11-09-2005, 07:26 AM

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Is it wrong to wait to see what happens to the short stack before you start risking all your chips? The short stack only has 5-6 BB.

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This type of thinking makes sngs so beatable.