25NL 2 folds

#1 12-15-2005, 04:42 PM

Hand 1. Villain seems pretty decent. Couldn't put the villain on anything other than an 8 the whole hand seeing as how he called the whole way. Don't think he's bluffing with an overpair on this board.

Hand 2. Same table as before. Standard fold I think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 4 handed) converter

UTG ($49.10)
Button ($45.23)
SB ($26.50)
Hero ($24.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB folds.

Turn: ($2.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button calls $2.

River: ($6.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $21.9, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $28.15

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter

UTG ($47.85)
MP ($38.68)
Button ($28.80)
SB ($32.35)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($1.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $4, MP folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $3.

River: ($9.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $15, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $28.25

beavens · #2 12-15-2005, 04:48 PM

hand 1: throw a blocking bet at the river.

hand 2: bet the flop, raise the turn, c/c river.

#3 12-15-2005, 05:16 PM

do you really bet flop with middle pair in an unraised pot into 4 people?

wyrd · #4 12-15-2005, 05:19 PM

Hand 1 looks good to me. I'd probably play very similar.

Hand 2 is difficult. I tend to always lose my money with two pair. The flop looks fine. The turn pot sized bet is good too, but at that point I'd put UTG on an Ace and reraise, probably getting all my chips in the pot at some point.

UTG limped, so we have to put him on some possible hands. A set of 2s is possible, so is AJ, AT, or KQ of spades. In some cases AQ as well, but most people tend to raise with that.

Given that he'd probably have a good Ace more often than a set, I'd just reraise the turn expecting to get all the money in the middle.

That said, he river bet makes it look like he has the goods. So I think the fold is fine with the way the hand played out.

beavens · #5 12-15-2005, 05:29 PM

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do you really bet flop with middle pair in an unraised pot into 4 people?

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ah misread that hand.. thought you had the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Guin · #6 12-15-2005, 06:18 PM

Hand 1 I fold similar to you.

Hand 2 I think you have to reraise on the turn to maybe all in to stop two potential flush draws that could make you weak on river. If villian had AK they would have bet flop if they are decent (not sure if the same villian for both hands). I think villian is on AQ and thinks they can take down the hand right there.

Guin

jasonHoldEm · #7 12-15-2005, 06:34 PM

Hand 1 - I think you should lead the river for about $2-3 and fold to a raise. While he certainly might have an 8 here you're opening yourself to a bluff from a missed flush draw without betting.

Hand 2 - As played, I'd be reeealy tempted to make it about $10-12 on the turn and see what happens...does anyone go for a check/raise here instead?

kurto · #8 12-15-2005, 07:08 PM

Is this the same villain in both hands?

Personally, I think there's a good chance he's full of poo.

Hand 1- I would have to know he's a complete idiot to, first off, call all the way down with an 8 and, second, to over bet. Though he could be an idiot in general... why doesn't he want to get value off you if he thinks he has the nuts? Unless he knows someone's dumb enough to call with crap, who's going to call a $21 bet for a $6 pot. If he has it, he's either tricky or a moron (there's a fine line)... I'm leaning more towards he knows you have him beat and he's getting you to fold.

Hand 2... who the hell knows? My first guess is he was either slowplay a set or 2 pair OR he's overbetting a draw (be it hearts or diamonds). Then I started to think he might have been playing 3-5 and he's afraid of the flush draws. Regardless of what he actually has, your less then 50% bet on the river demonstrates weakness and he's going to take it from you.

I would have reraised on the turn.

Is this the same guy in both hands? I think his bets are out of proportion to what he thinks you'll call which makes me think he's bluffing a lot. Was he doing this all the time? If so.. were there ever any showdowns?

#9 12-15-2005, 07:27 PM

Different villains in each hand but it was at the same table so if he was observant he might've picked up that I could make some lay downs.

Generally at this level most overbets are big hands that are just trying to get all the money in when they failed to do so on earlier streets. It generally takes a certain kind of player to make an overbet bluff on 25NL and I suppose villain could be capable although I hadn't seen either get really out of line yet. I was probably beat both hands but I certainly opened myself up for a bluff.

#10 12-15-2005, 07:38 PM

hand 1 - fine
hand 2 - c/c riv