If I Think They're Coming Along

[zeero3]

***** Hand History for Game (?) *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 15, 04:50:43 EDT 2005
Table Table 65242 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
xSeat 1: KCs13 ( $62 )
xSeat 2: thirty_se7en ( $287.15 )
xSeat 3: hbar111 ( $238.60 )
Seat 4: yearrgh ( $286 )
Seat 5: Arbo604 ( $213.70 )
xSeat 6: sled_ed ( $213.70 )
Seat 7: nightmare4ya ( $190 )
xSeat 8: komalkrishna ( $580.27 )
Seat 9: hanreich ( $159.80 )
xSeat 10: Hero ( $197 )
KCs13 posts small blind [ $1 ].
thirty_se7en posts big blind [ $2 ].

Holecards:
Dealt to Hero [J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
hbar111 calls [ $2 ].
yearrgh folds.
Arbo604 folds.
sled_ed calls [ $2 ].
nightmare4ya folds.
komalkrishna calls [ $2 ].
hanreich folds.
Hero calls [ $2 ].
KCs13 calls [ $1 ].
thirty_se7en checks.

Flop:
[7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
KCs13 checks.
thirty_se7en checks.
hbar111: bets $20
sled_ed calls [ $20 ].
komalkrishna: raises $40

At this point all I'm thinking is SHOULD I PUSH, since people seem interested right now.

My read on the initial bettor to the flop is that he seems like a person who overvalues his basic "good" hands (in his mind). He wanted to put it all in preflop w/ JJ and lost it. So now the guy looks to be steaming and stealing pots leading up to this hand.

The caller is 23.8%/4.5%/2.4aggro and those #s indicate he knows what he's doing. I put his hand on the straight draw, flush draw, or KJ-KA. Putting him on the Axc or Kxc would obviously be devastating and is a big factor to my decision.

The flop min-raiser seems to be on what HE thinks is a good run. His #s are 76%/19.5%/5.9aggro. I put this guy on just plain retarded-ness--not the flush draw, nothing but nothing...

So maybe it was the donk min-raising that set me off, but I shoved it in the middle. If there are no flush draws out there I'm definitely feeling good about this if I can get 2+ callers--and I think I can.....

ALL-IN Hero [ $195 ]
KCs13 folds.
thirty_se7en folds.
ALL-IN hbar111 [ $216.60 ]
ALL-IN sled_ed [ $191.70 ]
komalkrishna folds.

Main pot $634

How would others play this hand?
What would you put the flop CALLER on?
What about the min-raiser, remember his #s though?
Am I right in hoping the initial bettor calls if he's holding the King--I'm pretty sure I want him in there?

I appreciate all comments.

[maranello11]

I would not push all-in unless you have the opened staright flush draw and even then I may not push, why not just call the turn bet and see what happens, there is a good chance someone called your all-in with Ax of clubs

[zeero3]

Am I alone in this thinking or what?

[Gregg777]

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Am I right in hoping the initial bettor calls if he's holding the King

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What king would he call a push with there that he limped with preflop?

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Am I alone in this thinking or what?

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It is a limped pot and you have at least three others very interested, making it quite possible your flush is dominated.

If it was raised preflop and you were up against 2 opponents with an OESD and the flush draw, then I would push.

This is when you fold.
You're in a bad position relative to the action.

And only your gutshot is to the nuts.

[kurto]

I hate it. You're putting it all on on a non-nut flush draw.

You better hope a non club 9 hits.

I think this is fine if you think that it will clear your club outs, which i think that it will.

However, I don't like getting too involved in a hand like this in a limped pot just cause the benifits don't neccessarily outweight the downside of the large amount of variance that comes with it.

[swarm]

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I hate it. You're putting it all on on a non-nut flush draw.

You better hope a non club 9 hits.

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What would be wrong with a club 9, I think that is exactly what Hero wants no?

I see nothing wrong with this play, pushing will probably clear up your flush outs, very few villans have the gall to call all in on a lone flush draw. Even if only one villan comes along your coinflippin.

[yvesaint]

i dont like this at all, you only have 4 outs to the nuts in a large, unraised, multi-way pot

[Gregg777]

nm