Play from the blinds: J8s - Page 3

Scuba Chuck · #21 12-05-2005, 04:12 PM

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on a rainbow board, not betting is MAYBE ok, but checking on this board allows a flush draw to see the turn for free.

that is BAD.

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Why are you worried about the flush?

player1 · #22 12-05-2005, 04:15 PM

instead of J8s, is it correct to fold if:

-he had J8o?
-the BB is 50, or 100, or 150, or ...

thanks,
jc

1C5 · #23 12-05-2005, 04:17 PM

jc,
he is in the Big Blind which means it is FREE for him to see a flop with ANY 2 cards. Doesn't costs any money.

tewall · #24 12-05-2005, 04:26 PM

If there's only a couple of opponents, and you're the first one in, you could lead at the pot, something like 50%-75% (I like the lower end of this range) and see what happens. You'd like to take it down right there. You want to be very cautious; maybe take one shot, and then let it go if you get action. If you're lucky it might get checked down (assuming you're just called on the flop) or you could face a small enough bet on the river (or microbets on the turn and river; than can happen) that you can call, but you don't want to commit many chips at all to this hand.

microbet · #25 12-05-2005, 04:53 PM

Despite being named Microbet, there's no way I start a hand with 520 chips, flop trips, and don't figure out how to get all my chips in the middle.

tewall · #26 12-05-2005, 05:01 PM

He was asking about a Jack high or 8 high flop, not trips. Take a look at the post to which I was responding to.

Certainly your comment is true for trips.

microbet · #27 12-05-2005, 05:06 PM

My apologies. At work I have to ssh and use Lynx (a non-graphical browser) and it is more difficult to see who responded to whom. I know that's not a great excuse, but that's all I got.

tewall · #28 12-05-2005, 05:08 PM

No problem. It would indeed be strange advice for playing trips given the stack sizes.

adanthar · #29 12-05-2005, 05:48 PM

Yeah...at some point you had better get the chips in, and with 5 people there that point is the flop.

PS: Come on, he doesn't always have a jack, bet the river.

lacky · #30 12-05-2005, 07:02 PM

the flop check makes no sense if you weren't trying to check raise. the river check makes no sence after the turn check raise.

lead the flop, 3/4 pot or so. Lead the turn with a 2/3 or so pot bet, hoping to look weak and get raised by an ace, if so push. if someone has stayed to the river, bet what you think they will call. If someone has a full house or the case J better kicker or K10 and hit the inside straight, say "this [censored]'s rigged, stupid game" and open the next one.