Play from the blinds: J8s

[Melchiades]

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Bet flop!!! No one will believe you have a jack and you can pwn them.

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[bigt439]

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Bet flop!!! No one will believe you have a jack and you can pwn them.

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They still need a hand to call you. I think this is one of those spots where not leading trips is just fine.

[Melchiades]

They will call with ace high or any pocket pair. If nobody has any of those hands you are not getting any action anyway.

[player1]

silly me, let's say he was in the SB, like i mistakenly assumed, how bad is folding? i always fold with limpers thinking that i could be dominated.

thanks,
jc

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In general, people tend to check trips in the BB more often then they should. I like betting this flop because of the flush draw and the high number of opponents. The manner you played it, you've pretty clearly announced your hand on the turn if anyone is listening.

The river could be an interesting spot. I see 3 possible hands that call the turn. A J always calls. Flush draws often call. A donkey with an A will also call at times, even thogh you pretty much smacked him in the face and said you had a J. You aren't getting any more value out of a lone flush draw. An A that called the turn will call a lot of bets on the river. Obviously a J is calling or raising, and if he has a J there's a slight chance you're chopping. If you were deeper, I would give some thought to checking, but as it stands your short stack makes the river straightforward. Shove.

Wow I would almost never lead this flop, I'd probably check-call it, check raise the turn and push the river. Interesting stuff.

[durron597]

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silly me, let's say he was in the SB, like i mistakenly assumed, how bad is folding? i always fold with limpers thinking that i could be dominated.

thanks,
jc

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You're not planning to get the chips in on a J-high or 8-high board with J8s. You're planning to make a straight or a flush or two pair and stack AJ type of hands.

[Hornacek]

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Bet flop!!! No one will believe you have a jack and you can pwn them.

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They still need a hand to call you. I think this is one of those spots where not leading trips is just fine.

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on a rainbow board, not betting is MAYBE ok, but checking on this board allows a flush draw to see the turn for free.

that is BAD.

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how bad is folding PF? still learning...

jc

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Good idea to fold PF. Even though you see a flop for free and have infinity implied odds, I still like the fold. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[player1]

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You're not planning to get the chips in on a J-high or 8-high board with J8s. You're planning to make a straight or a flush or two pair and stack AJ type of hands.

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i see your point. but surely, you're not suggesting check/folding all the time when it's a J or 8 high flop. don't we have to find out if we might have the best hand by putting some chips into the pot on SOME occasions (ex: calling a small late position bet ...)?