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Old 11-17-2005, 10:06 AM
Morrek Morrek is offline
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Default Re: not so sure about this hand

If you really think he'll pay off max even if the draw hits, then ofcourse the right play is call/call/allin flop/turn/river but as previous poster said I doubt he is. So when do you want the money to go in? When it's a coinflip(flop) is +ev ofcourse, although maybe not by very much... But what if he pots it on a blank turn? you fold?
As played I doubt you'll get more than 1/2 pot more out of him, which is good considering what you paid but still, I wouldn't count on him giving you those odds on the turn everytime, hence a raise on the flop to either gain a freecard or get it allin right there would be better overall.

Oh and I really doubt he'll call allin on the flop with 88 99 and possibly TT, think of it from his donk perspective: you raised pre and called his reraise, then go allin after his overbet on the flop for another few hundred. That's quite alot of strength right there
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:16 AM
Rockatansky Rockatansky is offline
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Default Re: not so sure about this hand

If his hand range is AA-88, A-Ks, A-Ko, A-Qs, then you have 60% equity on the flop. If his hand range is AA-QQ, A-Ks, A-Ko, A-Qs, then you have 65% equity on the flop.
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:24 AM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: not so sure about this hand

If he'll go to the felt on the flop with an overpair but won't pay off a flush, I'd much rather put it in on the flop with 50% equity than call off chips hoping to hit one of my 5 payable outs (the sevens and eights).
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:11 PM
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If he'll go to the felt on the flop with an overpair but won't pay off a flush, I'd much rather put it in on the flop with 50% equity than call off chips hoping to hit one of my 5 payable outs (the sevens and eights).

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yea, i guess pushing the flop is probably the best move here ...

anyways i bet 200 on the river and he called quickly with 99

im not sure if he would've called a push, in retrospect, i doubt it
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:25 PM
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I'd be raising the flop here to a pot sized bet which would be around 130, so that would make your bet a total of 205 with making his call and raising it 130 more. If he calls then you naturally check the turn and the river is self explanitory.

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Old 11-17-2005, 05:28 PM
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I'd be raising the flop here to a pot sized bet which would be around 130, so that would make your bet a total of 205 with making his call and raising it 130 more. If he calls then you naturally check the turn and the river is self explanitory.

Ed S.

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pot-sized raise would be to 275-ish

which leaves him like 300 on the turn with 600 in the pot, and id feel terrible checking behind and watching him push a blank river and give me 3:1 odds

i just feel that sort of thing happens to me ALL THE TIME. i raise the flop with a big draw, check behind turn, river is a blank, he pushes, i fold(??) or call(??)
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:28 PM
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wait a while, then 2/3 the pot. I swear to god if he has an overpair he will call this more often than 1/2 the pot. It looks like a steal to people for some reason.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:30 PM
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Make it $300 is my standard, bit lower maybe on this board.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:34 PM
lautzutao lautzutao is offline
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Default Re: not so sure about this hand

With only 50% equity and no fold equity, I don't see why pushing here is such a good idea. I'd like to be slightly better than even money when pushing my stack.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: not so sure about this hand

All-in
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