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Old 10-15-2005, 05:05 AM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
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Default Absolute Morals, Sins of Commission vs Omission etc.

Starting tomorrow the government of all wealthy countries asks their more well off citizens to endure the following scenario once a day. Participation is not mandatory. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE THEN AN ALTERNATE WHO WOULD NOT NORMALLY PARTICPATE IS CHOSEN IN YOUR STEAD.

Upon getting up in the morning they are shown a picture of a child from a third world country who for whatever reason is about to die a prolonged excruciating death. They can now press one of three buttons. If they press button one they will be given $500. If they press button two, they will be given $100 and the child will die painlessly. If they press button three, the child will be spared but they will lose $15. And again the fourth alternative is to do nothing whereupon an alternate is given these choices. What is the moral choice for this daily dilemma?
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Old 10-15-2005, 05:18 AM
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Starting tomorrow the government of all wealthy countries asks their more well off citizens to endure the following scenario once a day. Participation is not mandatory.

Upon getting up in the morning they are shown a picture of a child from a third world country who for whatever reason is about to die a prolonged excruciating death. They can now press one of three buttons. If they press button one they will be given $500. If they press button two, they will be given $100 and the child will die painlessly. If they press button three, the child will be spared but they will lose $15. What is the moral choice for this daily dilemma?

[/ QUOTE ]This one is easy. The government is unethical as well as the people who encouraged the government. The government does not have a claim on the persons life.

Further, non participation is ethical, as well as option 3.
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Old 10-15-2005, 07:13 AM
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Starting tomorrow the government of all wealthy countries asks their more well off citizens to endure the following scenario once a day. Participation is not mandatory.

Upon getting up in the morning they are shown a picture of a child from a third world country who for whatever reason is about to die a prolonged excruciating death. They can now press one of three buttons. If they press button one they will be given $500. If they press button two, they will be given $100 and the child will die painlessly. If they press button three, the child will be spared but they will lose $15. What is the moral choice for this daily dilemma?

[/ QUOTE ]This one is easy. The government is unethical as well as the people who encouraged the government. The government does not have a claim on the persons life.

Further, non participation is ethical, as well as option 3.

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Non-participation is ok. Active opposition sounds right to me.

chez
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Old 10-15-2005, 07:19 AM
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Starting tomorrow the government of all wealthy countries asks their more well off citizens to endure the following scenario once a day. Participation is not mandatory.

Upon getting up in the morning they are shown a picture of a child from a third world country who for whatever reason is about to die a prolonged excruciating death. They can now press one of three buttons. If they press button one they will be given $500. If they press button two, they will be given $100 and the child will die painlessly. If they press button three, the child will be spared but they will lose $15. What is the moral choice for this daily dilemma?

[/ QUOTE ]This one is easy. The government is unethical as well as the people who encouraged the government. The government does not have a claim on the persons life.

Further, non participation is ethical, as well as option 3.

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Non-participation is ok. Active opposition sounds right to me.

chez

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Non-participation means you are allowing the possibility of someone else doing something unethical. You have the option to prevent this at least once, by participating.
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Old 10-15-2005, 09:07 AM
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Starting tomorrow the government of all wealthy countries asks their more well off citizens to endure the following scenario once a day. Participation is not mandatory.

Upon getting up in the morning they are shown a picture of a child from a third world country who for whatever reason is about to die a prolonged excruciating death. They can now press one of three buttons. If they press button one they will be given $500. If they press button two, they will be given $100 and the child will die painlessly. If they press button three, the child will be spared but they will lose $15. What is the moral choice for this daily dilemma?

[/ QUOTE ]This one is easy. The government is unethical as well as the people who encouraged the government. The government does not have a claim on the persons life.

Further, non participation is ethical, as well as option 3.

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Non-participation is ok. Active opposition sounds right to me.

chez

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Non-participation means you are allowing the possibility of someone else doing something unethical. You have the option to prevent this at least once, by participating.

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If enough fail to particpate then the policy will change. Whatever the purpose behind the policy will fail.

Cooperation with a bad policy endorses it both in principle and practice.

chez
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Old 10-15-2005, 07:30 AM
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Starting tomorrow the government of all wealthy countries asks their more well off citizens to endure the following scenario once a day. Participation is not mandatory.

Upon getting up in the morning they are shown a picture of a child from a third world country who for whatever reason is about to die a prolonged excruciating death. They can now press one of three buttons. If they press button one they will be given $500. If they press button two, they will be given $100 and the child will die painlessly. If they press button three, the child will be spared but they will lose $15. What is the moral choice for this daily dilemma?

[/ QUOTE ]This one is easy. The government is unethical as well as the people who encouraged the government. The government does not have a claim on the persons life.

Further, non participation is ethical, as well as option 3.

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Non-participation is ok. Active opposition sounds right to me.

chez

[/ QUOTE ]Yes actively opposing your government is ethical. Supporting a government that would do such a thing is unethical.

What I was trying to get at was in the situation; those who support the govenrment in question are unethical, as well as the persons in the government.

The 2nd part of my response was more along the lines of is it ethical to do charity. Both charity and non charity are ethical. It is a choice. It is not ones respsonsiblity to go around the world helping people in need. It is ethical to be selfish, and it is ehtical to be charitable. Forced charity is unethical.
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Old 10-15-2005, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: Absolute Morals, Sins of Commission vs Omission etc.

If we stipulate that this government policy will never change no matter what you do, does this alter your answer?
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Old 10-15-2005, 09:13 AM
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What I was trying to get at was in the situation; those who support the govenrment in question are unethical, as well as the persons in the government.

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If they believe what the government is doing is wrong then I totally agree. It seems possible (I suppose) that someone could approve of this policy in which case supporting it would be ethical.

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The 2nd part of my response was more along the lines of is it ethical to do charity. Both charity and non charity are ethical. It is a choice. It is not ones respsonsiblity to go around the world helping people in need. It is ethical to be selfish, and it is ehtical to be charitable. Forced charity is unethical.

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Is 'forced charity' an oxymoron. If it isn't is should be [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (Forced charity = tax)

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Old 10-15-2005, 05:34 AM
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Default Re: Absolute Morals, Sins of Commission vs Omission etc.

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IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE THEN AN ALTERNATE WHO WOULD NOT NORMALLY PARTICPATE IS CHOSEN IN YOUR STEAD.

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Who is this alternate and what if the alternate chooses not to participate?
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Old 10-15-2005, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: Absolute Morals, Sins of Commission vs Omission etc.

"Who is this alternate and what if the alternate chooses not to participate?"

You don't know. And if he doesn't particpate, another unknown alternate is picked.
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