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Old 10-18-2004, 11:34 PM
BullChip BullChip is offline
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Default Party NL$200

Table Blooming onion (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Hero ( $1291.70)
Seat 2: ( $188.40)
Seat 3: ( $529)
Seat 4: ( $204.20)
Seat 5: ( $200)
Seat 6: ( $771.70)
Seat 7: ( $384)
Seat 8: ( $218.80)
Seat 9: ( $171.70)
Seat 10: ( $131)
Seat 4 small blind (2)
Seat 6 posts big blind (4)
Hero posts big blind + dead (6)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd, Ks ]
Seat 7 folds.
Seat 8 folds.
Seat 9 folds.
Seat 10 folds.
Hero raises (16) to 20
Seat 3 calls (20)
Seat 4 folds.
Seat 6 calls (16)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, 6s, 3c ]
Seat 6 checks.
Hero bets (40)
Seat 3 calls (40)
Seat 6 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]

Now what???
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Old 10-18-2004, 11:38 PM
ThePopinjay ThePopinjay is offline
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Default Re: Party NL$200

Half pot it from here on, or check. Pretty crappy situation for you though.
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Old 10-19-2004, 12:35 AM
BadVoodooX BadVoodooX is offline
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Default Re: Party NL$200

Definitely time to apply the brakes. What are your respective table table images at this point?

Regardless, the remaining player flat called you initially with both of you having deep stacks >25x the initial bet and anotehr big stack to act behind him so small pairs and mid-low runners are viable cards for him. He didn't flinch when you bet a flop that couldn't help you. He could concievably have a pair like QQ, JJ or 10-10 that you have beat and is waiting to see what you do on the turn but 22, 33, 44, 55, 66 have you crushed and AA remains a possibility and you both still have lots of $ in your stacks. The thing you have to ask yourself is are you willing to keep firing pot sized bets or can you withstand a pot sized reraise at this point? Unless he's a very, very aggressive player, I doubt it.
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Old 10-19-2004, 03:48 AM
arkose arkose is offline
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Default Re: Party NL$200

I'm curious why you would bet only $40 on the flop with a pot of about $60. Do you normally underbet the flop a little with big pairs? I would think it to be a sign of weakness, and the other player (if he's a smart one) might as well. maybe he starts to think you have a middle pair (77-TT) or AK/AQ. Then he might be willing to call you whether he has something or not, to try and take the pot away from you on the turn. A big scare card comes on the turn, and you are pretty much done at that point; if you check, he'll bet and you'll probably fold...if you bet small again, he will probably try going over the top knowing you will probably fold.

Without knowing what kind of player the other player is, or what type of player you are for that matter, other options are: overbet the flop, say $70-90, and make it completely obvious that you have a big pair and you are willing to go all the way with your hand (even if you're not)...this way, he's less likely to keep his middle pair hands or 56/67/78, the hands you are ahead of, and his cold call will be a lot more telling; he's more likely got you beat than trying to bluff, although some players might raise big with draw+pair to try and take it down

Or perhaps try a flop checkraise instead?...

The rainbow flop looks like the type where you're either way behind or way ahead (more likely way ahead), and potentially giving a free card is probably alright. If he has a set already, then you will be no worse off....if he has a middle pair like 88-QQ (the most likely hands), its a small risk to give him one more card to hit his set. Its also possible he has something like 65 or 67 and he'll check behind you, which isn't good......but if you were scared of the flop and willing to fold if a scare card came anyway (A,2,5,6,7), then you are saving yourself some money. If he has one of those middle pairs, he'll probably bet the flop thinking he's ahead, and you can put in a CR to $150 or so. This still doesn't pot commit you should he choose to come back over the top.

Both of those options define your hand more clearly....but its all dependent on the type of player you're against. Is he the type of player to call with 56/67/78 or are those hands extremely unlikely for him to have, making his set a lot more likely? If he has a middle pair, would he just call preflop, and just call a 3/4 pot bet on the flop? Only you know these things. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

the way you did play it though...the best option is probably to check....and either call/fold depending on how he plays it
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