Hand 1 from Stars 11+R - Page 3

gobboboy · #21 08-17-2005, 05:39 PM

I think I like a push here. If t soprano wasn't on a normal blindsteal he may change it up by limping or trying something different, he could literally have almost any two with a face card. Pushing gets his chips dead and I really don't see the button having KK or AA here.

DemonDeac · #22 08-17-2005, 05:43 PM

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I would repush here and not worry about Tsoprano.

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why?
you can't just NOT worry about the guy who still has to act AND has you covered. the fact that this guy has yet to act is what makes this hand interesting. if this was heads up with JJ and the other guy, this is a pretty easy call.

DonButtons · #23 08-18-2005, 12:18 AM

I would push, AKs is sooo pretty.

If tony has AA, you will get 4th anyway because you have a bigger stack, and if tony folds, his preflop raise, and the blinds and antes make taking a flip pretty nice because if you lose you still have a good ammount to make a comeback with and if you win, you have 1st (2nd the way you run heads up) on lock [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Plus the reraiser might have AJ-AQ, and AKo so you might be freerolling for that flush or have him in a dominated spot.

And for the people that said to call, I think its horrible, your only options are to repush or fold.

TheTimeIsUp · #24 08-18-2005, 12:40 AM

This isn't the FT. It is the final 2 tables. 10 are left.

WSOPstar2B · #25 08-18-2005, 12:41 AM

I would have to consider a couple of things b4 I decide what to do. First, how important is it to make the final table -- especially financially? You have enough chips to make it there w/o even playing a hand for a few rotations.
If finishing 10th is no big deal then push. If finishing 10th would be real disappointing to you then fold. AK suited or not is a drawing hand. All you really have are two top cards. Any pair is favored over you & if they don't share one of your cards, then it is toss up. More people have been knocked out of tournaments w/AK than any other hand in my humble opinion. I just think that you are "gambling" by playing this hand 'cause you will not be a favorite often b4 the flop especially since I think the reraiser has a pocket pair. Of course if you feel positively that soprano will fold then the "race" is worth the push, but if you think it's 60/40 fold to call for soprano then I would fold & pick a better opportunity.

Ian J · #26 08-18-2005, 12:43 AM

Josh,

It's suited. Repush.

Oh yeah and everyone saying worry about T Soprano is nuts. He's only coming w/ 3 hands here, and maybe only 2. And unless the guy is retarded tight who 3 bet, you have him crushed a good amount because I'd imagine that T is opening a bunch of pots having over 1 mil.

SossMan · #27 08-18-2005, 01:38 PM

good god people...you have to push here. it's 5 handed. I'm sure TSoprano's range here is very large. Given that, straytoaster's range is at least relatively large. It certainly includes hands like AQ and AJ (AT?). Let's say TSoprano is raising like half the time preflop when it's folded to him (reasonable). That means that he's raising w/ probably something like 35-40% of the deck. Given that, what do you do in the button's spot w/ a hand like ATs or KQ, or 88? AQ is an instapush, right? If that's even close to the case, then you can't lay down AKs here. You have to push and hope TS doesn't happen to have one of the 4 hands that he can overcall with. Hell, in his spot, I would seriously deplete my timebank w/ Jacks.

He's probably folding there 90+% of the time we push.

Tarzan, baby.

pooh74 · #28 08-18-2005, 02:03 PM

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I would push, AKs is sooo pretty.

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its close...why its a good post hand. I feel for OP.

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If tony has AA, you will get 4th anyway because you have a bigger stack,

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No...there are 10 left.

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And for the people that said to call, I think its horrible, your only options are to repush or fold.

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Agreed...though, dont think a push or a call are going to matter much to T...if he's calling your call, he'd call you push too...there's maybe a .1% differnetial in outcome between the two moves IMO...but this point is pretty moot.

Lloyd · #29 08-18-2005, 02:07 PM

Anybody have the payouts for 1-10?

ansky451 · #30 08-18-2005, 02:55 PM

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good god people...you have to push here. it's 5 handed. I'm sure TSoprano's range here is very large. Given that, straytoaster's range is at least relatively large. It certainly includes hands like AQ and AJ (AT?). Let's say TSoprano is raising like half the time preflop when it's folded to him (reasonable). That means that he's raising w/ probably something like 35-40% of the deck. Given that, what do you do in the button's spot w/ a hand like ATs or KQ, or 88? AQ is an instapush, right? If that's even close to the case, then you can't lay down AKs here. You have to push and hope TS doesn't happen to have one of the 4 hands that he can overcall with. Hell, in his spot, I would seriously deplete my timebank w/ Jacks.

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I think if soprano is raising liberally, then we can widen SBs reraising range significantly, even to hands like KQs and A9-- or much worse. He knows soprano is getting a decent price, but he still isnt folding those hands I dont think.