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Old 08-15-2005, 05:28 PM
MagnoliasFM MagnoliasFM is offline
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Default 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

Last weekend I went with my buddies to Casino Moron(go) to play some 2-5NL. I sit down at a typical table containing an assortment of weak-tight "nits," one young gun, and me (I don't consider myself old enough to be called a young gun).

In early position, I pick up my favorite hand, AA. (For those of you keeping track, I have more than 1 favorite hand). I raise to $20 and everyone folds to the young gun (hereafter YG) on the button. YG (~$400) is a stone-faced kid who wears sunglasses and is an absolute alligator (impossible to read his emotions). He's playing super TAG and I haven't seen him show down a hand. YG looks at his cards and calls my raise a split-second later. Because he didn't even pause to think I am inclined to put him on a pair below QQ or two high cards, likely suited, but not AK. Everyone else folds.

Flop comes TsQsQd, with the As being in my hand. I make a pot-sized bet of $45 to declare my hand into this scary board. YG says "raise" and makes it $120 total. I call, which I think may have been a mistake. Against other players I fold here, but I felt there was a good chance YG was betting his small pair because he played extremely aggressively whenever he had position. I was either miles ahead or drawing slim and decided to call and check on the turn.

On the turn the 5d comes off and I check as planned. YG checks behind after 2 seconds, and I realize too late that he must have some sort of draw (straight, flush, pair, or a combination thereof) because I don't think he would've given me a free card with a queen in his hand after I called his raise on the flop.

The river brings the 7h, which couldn't have helped him unless he had 77, and I'm faced with a decision. I could make a fake blocking bet and hope he calls or comes over the top, or I could check and hope he takes a stab. Usually I just make a value bet here and people just look me up with any two cards (never bluff-raising), but YG appears to be knowledgable so I decide to check with the intention of calling. He quickly checks behind and shakes his head, saying "I have 3 pair." I show my bullets and he mucks.

I think this hand was interesting because it involved actual thinking, and I made questionable plays on all streets. I failed to understand my opponent and it cost me. I never would have guessed that he would play T7s against an early position raise from what appeared to be a strong player (I mean really, what are these young guns nowadays thinking?). I'm not used to playing against opponents who are tough to read and who try to outplay me, so I played this hand mostly by feel. I tried to write down some of my thoughts as the hand played out, and I'm hoping some of you veterans out there can give me some advice on whether or not I'm on the right track as far as what I should think about during a hand. Thanks for helping me improve!
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Old 08-15-2005, 05:42 PM
fimbulwinter fimbulwinter is offline
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

the sad part isnt that you're a troll, it's that you're not even a good one.

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Old 08-15-2005, 10:08 PM
fisherman112 fisherman112 is offline
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

[quote/] I'm not used to playing against opponents who are tough to read and who try to outplay me, so I played this hand mostly by feel.

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what does that statement even mean?

keep your posts short and you'll probably get more responses.

you had a read on villain as aggressively using position and you still checked twice. way too weak. you should have lead out the turn to better define your hand and extract more money from a stubborn 10. if he raised you again, you could have folded. as it is, you let everyone see that if they raise you, you give them as many free cards as they want.
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Old 08-15-2005, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

youre hillarious

best saracastic joke post in weeks

right? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

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the sad part isnt that you're a troll, it's that you're not even a good one.

fim

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The guy makes a thoughtful post about a hand he had trouble with and you insult him with a one-liner rather than help him. Who's the troll?

Tell new posters to post hands and get advice and then ignore or insult them when they do. And if a hand is trivial to a top player, just ignore it and let those who aren't as good respond. Great. Clearly this isn't universal, but it happens too much.

I would give advice about the hand but I hate overpairs out of position and would rather read a top player's view, even if it is obvious to him, because I could easily be wrong.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

I find your background-details behind the hand interesting, however I wish you make the hand history easier for us to read, for instance, using picture icons for the suits of card and telling us the pot size on every street.

since the player is a YG, fully capable of raising you here with wide range of hands, you should call, hope for blank turn and fire out 2/3 on the brick. if not..i'd throw up when board double pairs or flush card comes.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

Agreed that it is a little hard to wade through the post, but that's minor. I'll say that my line would be the same as allinlife's. I figure calling the flop and then betting the turn is necessary to charge the draws he could have, and to possibly get more money from a ten. I think in this spot you need to show enough strength to make it hard for him to raise without having you beat and the stop and go does that. It makes it likely enough that you have a Q that he can't raise again without one (or TT). Then again, you are building him a nice pot if you are beat and still have to play the river. I'd like to hear from better players on this one.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:42 AM
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How many chips did you have? I have played in this game twice before....it was a pretty darn good game both times. The first time I was down 7$ and the second time I was down the two buy-ins I brought with me within 1 hour. I dont really love playing in that game because the max buy-in is 300$. I usually play limit there, but I might mess around in the new 100 max NL game this weekend(BR troubles). This is mostly due to the fact that I blow at NL and the limit games there are filled with ATMs. I played 6-12 there about a month ago and it had to have been the softest game in the room. I usually play 3-6 but I was running good that day and had a ton of confidence. Ill be the guy wearing the JOPKE hat on mega tilt. Dont tell your friends about 2+2...im playing at morongo for the rest of the summer. I dont need you donkeys stinking up my action!
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: 2-5 Live AA - Young Gun Runs Out of Bullets

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the sad part isnt that you're a troll, it's that you're not even a good one.

fim

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The guy makes a thoughtful post about a hand he had trouble with and you insult him with a one-liner rather than help him. Who's the troll?

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read his previous posts, then remove your feet from your mouth.

fim
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:01 AM
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read his previous posts, then remove your feet from your mouth.


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Which ones indicate that he is 'troll'...sure doesnt seem like a troll to me.

Edit: On the first page of his previous posts list there are no 'troll' posts
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