Two big schools: Any comparison studies?

There are two schools of late stages strategy, pushers and limpers.

Here is a typical debate
http://www.thepokerforum.com/ubbcgi/...25;t=000014;p=

From my observation,

Pushers: Pf people, 80% of the winning population, probably more math oriented, most likely have a football star avatar.

Limpers: Flop people, fans of Negreanu, limp AK depending on situation, minority shouted at by pushers, lurking not posting in most forums, most likely doesn’t have an avatar.

I have tested these two schools but my results of course are inconclusive.

Are there any statistical studies, polls, math analysis or simulation out there comparing these two schools? Or is it only a matter of style?

If there are no studies, perhaps people like eastbay can do some simulations?

Advance thanks.

[handsome]

Your first post reeks of newbness. Limping in the late stages is just horrible.

[johnny005]

I have been playing SNg's steady for about a year 8 tables... I used to never limp I'n the late stages of the game... I moved to 3-6 (6max) for about 3 months and I'm now playing $50 (6man) Sng's ... I like to limp early in the tourneys when I see there are a few super aggros so that I can fold when they raise me... Then when the blinds are high I limp with High pocket pairs and hammer them when they raise my limp again... Do I suck cause I do this????.. Must be the case..

Anyways my point is this when your down to 2,3,4 players in these things You should only be limping as a trap but If you havent beeen doing much limping early they are going to smell something fishy when you go all-in every hand and then you limp out of nowhere...

LIMPING IN THE SMALL BLIND?

Another spot Where I think Lmping is ok Is the small blind.. 3 handed and heads up I've been tinkering with a few things that Harrington said in his new book. Limping with my good hands 1/3 of the time raising 2/3, when I say good hand I mean anything in the top 40%.. And I've been trying reversing that with my premium hands(AA,KK,QQ) 1/3 raise and 2/3 call. If your playing against a player who will raise your SB everytime you limp this strategy doesnt work to well. But once I find out he likes to raise my limps I just Push/Fold until next decent hand.

The only Problem That I see with using limping as part of your strategy is its not as easy to do while 4-8 tabling because you actually have to make some decisions after the flop...

All in all I've found mixing up my limp has really improved my ROI over the last 1000 Sng's.

Any thoughts?

New angle, installing it into wetware.

[applejuicekid]

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Limpers: Flop people, fans of Negreanu, limp AK depending on situation

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I didn't even know bad players played like this.

My main point is not to debate here but hey

Why would you want to raise/push AK if you know there will be at least 2-4 lucky gambling callers and no folding equity? Raising AK for value just doesn’t cut it.

And there are much more oppotunities to outplay the opponent postflop.

[applejuicekid]

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Raising AK for value just doesn’t cut it.

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I think you need to run some of those simulations you were talking about.

Tell me what's the winning % of AK against 4 callers.

[applejuicekid]

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Tell me what's the winning % of AK against 4 callers.

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About 30%

Tell me what late game tourney you are playing that has 4 callers calling a push.

30%? I thought that is against one opponent.

I did mention DEPENDING ON SITUATION, didn't I?