Should I even call his flop opener here?

J Chap · #1 07-07-2005, 07:17 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t780)
CO (t770)
Hero (t775)
SB (t785)
BB (t1620)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t790)
MP1 (t965)
MP2 (t730)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, 2 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t87.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets t100, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t300, SB folds, BB raises all-in for 1620.

Am I folding to his t100 opener? He did get a free flop, after all, so who knows what kind of weird two pair he could have...

Thanks for your help, dudes-

J Chaaaaaap

zipppy · #2 07-07-2005, 07:56 PM

This is tough, IMO. He didn't raise preflop, which usually means you can rule out AQ, KK and AA. What buyin is this?

My first instinct was that he had a huge hand, and I would probably go with that instinct in the game and fold.

But then I realized he opened for 100. In my experience (and I could be WAY off as I haven't played the volume of games others have) even bottom two pair will usually slow play this a bit, and certainly not bet as much as t100.

So, maybe calling would be correct, but it's tough without a read and since this is the first level you probably don't have a strong read on the villian.

I'm stumped, but there are my thoughts.

>>>ZIPPPY

adanthar · #3 07-07-2005, 07:57 PM

How did he get his chips?

gildwulf · #4 07-07-2005, 07:59 PM

This is like the millionth time a hand like this has come up. If you aren't willing to go all the way with TPGK, then don't bother playing it. I would probably call here, but I play at the 20s and 30s.

zipppy · #5 07-07-2005, 08:09 PM

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This is like the millionth time a hand like this has come up. If you aren't willing to go all the way with TPGK, then don't bother playing it. I would probably call here, but I play at the 20s and 30s.

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Would you have played it differently at any point? If so, how? I'm wondering if anyone raises preflop.

gildwulf · #6 07-07-2005, 08:25 PM

I would have folded preflop to avoid these types of situations. Because honestly...what are you expecting to flop calling KQo in the button? This is pretty much the best you could ask for.

However, now that he's in this situation I would probably have pushed and/or call the all-in with two cards to come (unless he has a very, very solid read). If he has trips or aces or whatever so be it...you still have outs on the flop.

unreal_nh · #7 07-07-2005, 08:29 PM

fold preflop.

lastchance · #8 07-07-2005, 08:29 PM

Two pair or better is worth limping here.

bmxreed36 · #9 07-07-2005, 08:30 PM

Raise preflop

unreal_nh · #10 07-07-2005, 08:31 PM

raise? are you kidding me?