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Old 10-28-2005, 09:38 AM
unlucky513 unlucky513 is offline
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Default royal draw - 100NL

party 100NL 6 max, 6 handed

i have been playing LAG, using position and bullying the table. i havent shown many hands. CO is new to the table, UTG is 62/6 after about 150 hands.

me (button) - $286
CO - $70
UTG - $150

UTG calls, fold, CO calls, i rase to $4 with JsQs, blinds fold, UTG & CO call.

flop ~$14 Ts 8c Ks
both check, i bet $10, both call

turn~$45 Jc
UTG checks, CO bets $50, i.... ???

i'm confused here. if i call, i have to worry about UTG coming along too. should i push to get UTG out of the hand? (CO has $5 left after his turn bet) should i consider folding?
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

I'd raise more PF after two limpers and bet more on the flop. I push this turn.
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

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I'd raise more PF after two limpers and bet more on the flop. I push this turn.

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I agree that the PFR needs to be ~$6. Why push this turn though?
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:50 AM
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

You are on a draw, why would you want UTG to fold?
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

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You are on a draw, why would you want UTG to fold?

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because i don't want to play a 3-way pot with just a draw... especially after that nasty turn card.
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:58 AM
gulebjorn gulebjorn is offline
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

Push the turn to get UTG out. He called on the flop, so he's got something. You want him to fold because he could be drawing to the nut flush draw, so if you make your flush on the river, you're in trouble. If he's got trips and the board pairs on the river with a J or 8s, you're in trouble. If he's got some kind of ace and a queen falls, you're in trouble. He could have something like KcQc, so Ac on the river would get you in trouble...

A lot of stuff he's calling with could get you in trouble. So you want him to fold.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:01 AM
mosuavea mosuavea is offline
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

I agree you want UTg out of the hand but what about CO? You arent folding him and he obviosuly likes his hand. He may already have the straight which means you quite possibly could be chopping if that comes in so you are basically drawing to the flush. I think I am dumping this without a read
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:22 AM
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I agree you want UTg out of the hand but what about CO? You arent folding him and he obviosuly likes his hand. He may already have the straight which means you quite possibly could be chopping if that comes in so you are basically drawing to the flush. I think I am dumping this without a read

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Read OP. He only has $5 left.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:24 AM
mosuavea mosuavea is offline
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

I know he has only $5 left your point being?
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: royal draw - 100NL

So you'd rather play a 2-way pot with just a draw? Doesn't make sense.
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