Crying call?

pokerjunky · #1 12-09-2005, 05:44 PM

Villain is 26/9/2.5

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

River: (8.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero....?

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

#2 12-09-2005, 05:48 PM

Is folding even crossing your mind here? I would hope not. I think I'd call this with 3-betting a close second. You don't want to get 3 bet from a full house, but you have the best hand that is not a full house, in the nut flush. Put your money in the pot here though.

pokerjunky · #3 12-09-2005, 05:51 PM

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Is folding even crossing your mind here? I would hope not. I think I'd call this with 3-betting a close second. You don't want to get 3 bet from a full house, but you have the best hand that is not a full house, in the nut flush. Put your money in the pot here though.

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I showed a lot of strenth by check raising the third spade on the turn on this coordinated board. What is villain raising here that doesn't beat me?

stillbr · #4 12-09-2005, 05:59 PM

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Is folding even crossing your mind here? I would hope not. I think I'd call this with 3-betting a close second. You don't want to get 3 bet from a full house, but you have the best hand that is not a full house, in the nut flush. Put your money in the pot here though.

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I showed a lot of strenth by check raising the third spade on the turn on this coordinated board. What is villain raising here that doesn't beat me?

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QxQs.

pokerjunky · #5 12-09-2005, 07:15 PM

I called, but after losing to a boat I wondered if calling was correct. On the river I'm getting 11:1 on a call, and the only logical hand that he would raise here that I beat would be the Qs, and even that would be pretty thin on his part. The problem is, does he even have the Qs and be willing to raise it 1 out of 12 times?

jason_t · #6 12-09-2005, 07:30 PM

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I called, but after losing to a boat I wondered if calling was correct. On the river I'm getting 11:1 on a call, and the only logical hand that he would raise here that I beat would be the Qs, and even that would be pretty thin on his part. The problem is, does he even have the Qs and be willing to raise it 1 out of 12 times?

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Thinking that you should fold this is a horribly results-oriented question. There is no question that you should at least call here.

#7 12-09-2005, 07:40 PM

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I called, but after losing to a boat I wondered if calling was correct. On the river I'm getting 11:1 on a call, and the only logical hand that he would raise here that I beat would be the Qs, and even that would be pretty thin on his part. The problem is, does he even have the Qs and be willing to raise it 1 out of 12 times?

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Don't fall in love with this "I can make the big laydown" idea in LLHE. It will cost you a few big pots at the very least. Also, when players see you make folds like this, they get really tricky on the river thinking you'll fold to any scare card. For one more bet to win eleven, you have to call with the top flush against one player.

ScottieK

jason_t · #8 12-09-2005, 06:03 PM

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Is folding even crossing your mind here? I would hope not. I think I'd call this with 3-betting a close second. You don't want to get 3 bet from a full house, but you have the best hand that is not a full house, in the nut flush. Put your money in the pot here though.

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I showed a lot of strenth by check raising the third spade on the turn on this coordinated board. What is villain raising here that doesn't beat me?

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QQ, Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or AQ, Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

jason_t · #9 12-09-2005, 05:49 PM

I happily call. Folding shouldn't cross your mind. There are villains that I would 3-bet here.

#10 12-09-2005, 05:54 PM

I would have probably bet the flop, but as far as the river...

I say 3 bet, but you should at least call. Folding is horrible.