PLO8 - flopped top two pair

PugX · #1 01-05-2005, 06:22 PM

I'm new to PLO8. In this hand I flopping top two pair. I'm not on the possible nuts, and I dont have any realistic draw to count on. It feeled correct to push money into the pot anyway. Was it correct?? 

Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $.02 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($.08)
CO ($4.24)
Button ($.84)
SB ($1.87)
BB ($1.02)
Hero ($2.44)
UTG+1 ($4.88)
UTG+2 ($.28)
MP1 ($.87)
MP2 ($.94)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.02.
Hero calls $0.02, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, MP1 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.14) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.14, UTG+2 calls $0.14, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.06 (All-In), CO folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($0.48) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $0.48, UTG+2 calls $0.12 (All-In).

River: ($1.08) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1.08
Main Pot: $0.32, between MP3, Hero and UTG+2. > High won by Hero ($0.32) No low.
Pot 2: $0.40, between Hero and UTG+2. > High won by Hero ($0.40) No low.
Pot 3: $0.36, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ks Jh 4c (High: full house, kings full of aces).
UTG+2 has Qs Jd Jc 6c (High: two pair, kings and jacks).
MP3 has 5d 2h 3c 5c (High: two pair, kings and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $1.08.

bigmac366 · #2 01-06-2005, 02:26 AM

i'm new to plo myself, but let me give it a try. i think the flop bet was good b/c there is no low draw to think of and a Q J or T could ruin your hand. if someone raises you its probably a good idea to release your hand. i'm probably way off base here though....anyone else wanna try. i think top 2 is the hardest hand to play well in plo.

PokerGoblin · #3 01-06-2005, 03:10 AM

PUG,

Top 2 pair is not a lot to get excited about, especially in early position. I tend to check from EP and see what happens. The fact that you were called by two short stacks was definitely favorable. If one of the big stacks calls or raises, you need to be ready to fold if he plays back at you, as you have 4 outs to improve (and probably less, as many people will limp w/ any a-{2,3,4,5} type hands; with 6 opponents that is likely).

Setting your opponent in on the river is fine, chances are he has a low draw and a flush draw (results aside). With one card to come you are in good shape to get at least half the pot.

PG

Cleveland Guy · #4 01-06-2005, 11:03 AM

I agree with Poker here - top 2 with no re-draws in EP is very tought to play, and even tougher in PLO/8.

I do like the bet, because you will get the low draws out, and the A took away any low your hand might have.

Obviously this is a micro-limit table, so some of the play by your opponents is less than stellar, but realize in the future what hand you are going to get called and raised on when you move up.

even at .50/1 and by 1/2 players calling a pot sized flop bet will likely have one or 2 of the following

1. A Set
2. A good wrap (QJT)
3. A nut, or (near nut Flush) draw

You are behind #1 already, and close to even against 2 or 3, but if you combine 2 and 3 - you are also behind.

Yads · #5 01-06-2005, 12:02 PM

Check and fold to a pot sized bet, you're out of position and there's almost no cards that can come that won't wreck your hand. If rags come, you'll split the pot with a low. Any diamond and your hand is gone, Any ten, jack, queen and your hand is most likely gone.

PugX · #6 01-06-2005, 06:16 PM

Thanks for your answers!

Obviously I have to tighten up my play. I coming from Holdem NL (often shorthanded), and I want to show my hands (edit: not my poker-hand) when I play. As a litle man once sad... "have to unlearn what you have learn"

/Pug