When to start "trusting" your PT stats?

[soweak.]

Now I'm not talking about personal statistics, but those of the other players as they enter the game. I think it might be a hole in my game that I either overly rely on PT when a new person sits down, or i don't have enough hands on other players.

My autorate is set for 25 hands, is that about what everyone else uses?

Also if anyone could point me to a good limit autorate rules set I would be appreciative (and yes I have searched for one).

[SmileyEH]

Different statistics converge at vastly different rates. I wouldn't put much into an att. to steal stat until several hundred hands, but vpip will converge to a useful number after even a dozen hands for example.

-SmileyEH

[soweak.]

the ones I'm concerned with are VP$IP, post flop aggression, %WTSD, and W$WTSD (won $ when went to showdown).

[mtdoak]

I use PT/Poker Edge stats to classify certain players, but also make sure to take good notes about players and to not to pigeon hole a player purely on stats. Bad players improve, good players have bad days, and agressive players can play weak tight.

[Octopus]

I'll start looking at VPIP after a couple orbits and PFR soon after. Stealing/defending and post-flop statistics I'd look at exactly what he is doing rather than at the stats. Even the often cited Aggression Factor converges very slowly and even if we had a good number, it is not clear what it means.

[stankphish]

good link to bisonbison thread

[thejameser]

if they are new i like at least 50 hands, but if you are observant you may not need that many.

[crunchy1]

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but if you are observant you may not need that many.

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Then we're not really talking about relying on stats then - are we?