Stricly online play...possible or not??

[Poker_God]

I really am a big fan of the forums and of the books which i have bought from here. Anyways, i have been playing cards seriously for only 2 yrs this past september.

Lately i have noticed that when i play in casinos my play is good enough for me to be happy with how it went, but i get home jump on-line and then bam. Its a whole nother ball game. I end up 90 percent of the time getting offline thinking WTF??? I also fell victim to the whole fopa that on-line poker is rigged, or it pays off to draws so on and so on.

Long story short is there long term on internet poker or is it a short term profit maker. If so with either instance is it only in the higher stakes such as 25-50 and up or 100 plus tourneys?

[soko]

The cards come out the same in internet poker as they do in B&M poker

In terms of possibilities, many people play strictly online poker, including me.

[pudley4]

Live poker is significantly easier than online (if you're comparing the same limits). So it's very possible to crush your local 10-20 game, then jump online and get absolutely destroyed at that "same" 10-20 game.

You'll also have a higher (hourly) variance online because you see more hands per hour. The variance per hand is also higher because players are more aggressive online.

Add these all up and it's no surprise at the number of "online is rigged" posts we see (it's not).

The most likely explanation is - you're not very good.

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Live poker is significantly easier than online (if you're comparing the same limits). So it's very possible to crush your local 10-20 game, then jump online and get absolutely destroyed at that "same" 10-20 game.

You'll also have a higher (hourly) variance online because you see more hands per hour. The variance per hand is also higher because players are more aggressive online.

Add these all up and it's no surprise at the number of "online is rigged" posts we see (it's not).

The most likely explanation is - you're not very good.

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i've made a bunch of posts about strange stuff i've seen B&M in a limited time. i did this to counter the "online internet is rigged" argument. yes, i have seen the same person get pocket pairs consecutive B&M in my very limited experience.

and a friend of mine worked customer service for a huge site (maybe party) and he said the people that emailed and complained about "rigged site" would turn out to be seeing the flop 60%+ or something like that.

but OTOH, i don't see why it couldn't be rigged slightly-moderately, especially beyond the top 3-4 sites. it's not like these sites are continuously audited by the big 4 accounting firms. couldn't the site tweak the card flow slightly to generate more action or have house bots that get an extra winning draw an hour... is it that crazy? even though i'm not a subscriber to the theory in general.

put another way, if there was headline in next week's paper about a major site being slightly rigged, would you be shocked?

the one thing is that a fair number of people would know about it and it would hard to keep quiet, but you could say the same about so much stuff (like JFK assassination - o.k. i lost everyone)

i don't like the "online poker is rigged" because i keep getting rivered. but i really don't know why it couldn't be tweaked somewhat by the programmers... hey, if enron can be rigged, why can't a major poker site?

[Poker_God]

I would agree that there is too much to loose for a company to rig or change variants for a site. And the whole " your not very good" well thats your personal opinion. The poster who said that i could say the saem about you.

I play on pokerroom and have since left because of "suspicous" happenings.

But then again i dont play the higher limits and on average only see the flop about 4 out of 20-30 hands. But because some tourneys have 8 min blind structure you are forced out of comfort zones.

Now I know when someone with 10K plus sits down at a 10+1 table he is less likely to give a crap about what happens, hes having fun. Same when i make a small run and just want to play a 5+.50 just to play without risk involved. Maybe i take my lower limit play too serious by getting to involved about what happens.

Either way i also have seen the same in real life. When i was on vacation i played at Mandalay Bay at the 2-4 200 max/min. tables. I had top two pair and a guy just having a bad run called with a gut shot str8 and back door flush draw, and rivers the royal flush.

IF THERE ARE CARDS LEFT IN THE DECK THAT CAN BEAT YOU, THEY CAN AND WILL (occasionally) COME OUT.

[UVaHoo]

Not only will they come out, they MUST come out.

If you flop a set of aces against your opponents' pocket deuces, he MUST catch running deuces about 1 out of 990 times. It's not rigged because it happens.

I get so sick of the "he always hits his flush on the river; this site is rigged" argument. His 9 outs are going to hit as often in the casino as they online.

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Not only will they come out, they MUST come out.

If you flop a set of aces against your opponents' pocket deuces, he MUST catch running deuces about 1 out of 990 times. It's not rigged because it happens.

I get so sick of the "he always hits his flush on the river; this site is rigged" argument. His 9 outs are going to hit as often in the casino as they online.

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Nothing MUST happen if it is random.

[Cincy Peach]

one quick thing to keep in mind is that seeing so many more hands online means that you see the unlikely hits more often, adding to the false perception that the results are skewed.

[In Paradise]

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if there was headline in next week's paper about a major site being slightly rigged, would you be shocked?

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Yeah