Percentage of Online Winners, Revisited Yet Again

[dfan]

I don't know, but I rate your icon a 10!

[crazy canuck]

I believe Multipoker stated that 10% of all players are long term winners and 20% of swedish are. Damn, they got thos hot chicks and spend all that time in front of their computers.

[teamdonkey]

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You weren't paying attention. I said 40% was a reliable estimate of the "winning" players in a PT database, where winning only means being up for a short span of hands. Or have you found that only 5% of the player in your PT are + $?

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my (smallish) PT database:

players who have won money: 37.7%
hands dealt to players who have won money: 51.9%

That second number is somewhat skewed since 11% of those hands were dealt to one person (me), but even without me it's at 46%. I think that number more accurately answers the question of "at a random table how many people are winning and how many losing?".

[UncleDuke]

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You say the definition isn't that important to you but let's take your question as an example of why a precise definition is absolutely required. You say "What I really want to know is if I sit down at an average table, how many people in the game with me are winning players?" I assume you mean +EV vs -EV players since you want to know how many fish there are. So here are the players at your table:

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Also, there's a major distinction between someone being a "+EV" player in that he's odds on to win in the long run *in the games he plays* and a +EV player at a given table, where you've put certain people together.

For instance, I believe I'm a +EV player in the games I usually play (at least my results have been positive overall), but if you sit me down at a table with nine bigtime pros, then I'm surely -EV for that situation. Against the usual crowd in an average low-stakes game on Party, I'm a reasonably good player. Against Johnny Chan, Phil Ivey, etc, I'm a very large fish.

[PokerCat69]

If someone joined all the pokersites on bonuswhores and just hopped from site to site to clear reloads, they could be playing slighty -EV poker, but turn a nice profit overall due to the bonues.