Heartland Poker Tour allows questionable entry option

[GoldenHorde]

The point you don't seem to be getting is that the "Sunday Finals" is the tournament. It has a 2k buy-in.

[ QUOTE ]
Preliminary Qualifiers will be held on November 25th & 26th at 10:00am and 5:00pm.
The top 20% advance to Sunday.

[/ QUOTE ]

That is a direct quote from the site notice the word QUALIFIERS, which is exactly what they are, qualifiers for the main event on Sunday which you can also directly enter.

And your statement about wanting to play with better players instead of worse ones is so wrong i'm not even gonna bother honestly just think about that for a minute.

[tek]

[ QUOTE ]
The point you don't seem to be getting is that the "Sunday Finals" is the tournament. It has a 2k buy-in.

That is a direct quote from the site notice the word QUALIFIERS, which is exactly what they are, qualifiers for the main event on Sunday which you can also directly enter.


[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, qualifier as in qualifying for the next round. Starting with a new stack instead of carrying over does not make it a new tourny.

The guys who are paying $2k are avoiding competition no matter how yoy slice it. It's not just that they are bad players (which is +EV I'll admit) but they are so bad they have to try to avoid what has been for four months the only way to get to the finals--namely the qualification round.

These few guys asked Greg for the ability to sidestep the qual round admittedly because they suck.

For guys who can supposedly understand Sklansky's books, I'm just amazed.

I'll try one more time.

These guys are AFRAID OF GETTING KNOCKED OUT OF THE QUALIFYING ROUNDS SO THEY WANT TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE FINALS.

It's the same as if the chokemaster Minnesota Vikings said to the NFL: Look, we never make it past Round 1 of the playoffs. Put us into the Conference Championship. And let the other teams play their Division playoffs as usual...

If Greg and Todd think this is okay, fine. It's their tourny. But the point is the $2k guys have an unfair advantage by not playing on Friday and Saturday because they are avoiding a possible knock out.

They are buying their way out of an early knock out.

I do not believe that Sunday is a seperate tounry. It's a continuation of The Friday and Saturday qualifying. You are qualifying to come back Sunday by making the top 20%.

These few guys are avoiding competition. And you guys support that option because you are as weak as them. You seem to be as afraid of competition as they are and just want the easy way out. Be honest, you know it's true.

As long as we accept the reality of this, I will too. That is if these weak guys want to buy their way out of an early knock out, ok. But let's not call it the equivalent of a satellite because it's not.

[GoldenHorde]

You are right I take everything back.

Qualifying tournaments are not qualifiers they are just preliminary "rounds" even if everyone starts over with even chips and the tournaments are called qualifiers.

People who directly buy-in to a 2k event which is offered to everyone somehow have an unfair advantage over those who choose to play qualifiers.

Its much better to play against strong competition than against bad players.

And of course everyone but you is completely wrong including the several people in this thread who play professionaly. Clearly everybody is delusional except for you, congratulations.

[tek]

It has not previously been a 2k event. They were $275-$550 events. Since their inception in July, the procedure was you pay the entry and finish in the top 20% and then come back on Sunday and finish the tournament.

The 2k option is new for next month because some cry babies asked for the ability to pay for the priviledge of avoiding getting knocked off on Friday or Saturday like they usually do.

Forgetting the fact that they suck and how good it is to play against them, you still don't see the unfairness of them sidestepping a round of play where they would not usually get through.

So yes, IN EFFECT the TD's are CREATING a 2k event and treating the majority of us AS THOUGH we are in a $440 SATELLITE.

Does this mean it's right that a couple of guys can change tournament policies to suit their preference?

Perhaps this topic should be discussed in a macro sense in the Politics forum because it mirrors what goes on in society in general.

[CardSharpCook]

I can offer no more intelligent response to this. This is astounding.

[ QUOTE ]
So yes, IN EFFECT the TD's are CREATING a 2k event and treating the majority of us AS THOUGH we are in a $440 SATELLITE.

Does this mean it's right that a couple of guys can change tournament policies to suit their preference?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep and yep.

They made a 2k tournament. It is completely right because we are not debating morality. It's certainly not wrong for them to do this, is it? It's their tournament. Can't they run it however the heck they want? If not, why not? They can use whatever terminology they want or whatever. If they want to call the rounds the supersatellite, the final round and the ultra-final round, that's their business, so logn as the players are informed of exactly how the tournament will be run.

On another note, couldn't Phil Hellmuth and Gus Hansen decide that they want to play but that the qualifying rounds aren't worth their time?

Will

BTW, I'll sit down with donks and play poker anytime anywhere for any amount that even begins to look like it might fit in my bankroll.

[Exitonly]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes, qualifier as in qualifying for the next round. Starting with a new stack instead of carrying over does not make it a new tourny.


[/ QUOTE ]

Dunno how you have that many posts, but don't understand satelites.

If you start with a new stack, the "qualifying rouunds" were just satelites, with the top 20% getting seats worth $2000.

If you kept your stack from the previous rounds, yea that would be really wierd, but even then, it would be +EV for you to have 'donks' buy in at that level.

[fnurt]

[ QUOTE ]
Starting with a new stack instead of carrying over does not make it a new tourny.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes it does, yes it does, yes it does, yes it does, yes it does, yes it does, yes it does, yes it does.

[tek]

[ QUOTE ]
And your statement about wanting to play with better players instead of worse ones is so wrong i'm not even gonna bother honestly just think about that for a minute.

[/ QUOTE ]

Really? Then please check the first paragraph on page 89 of "Ace on the River" by Barry Greenstein.