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Old 12-31-2005, 01:56 AM
kurosh kurosh is offline
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Default A few decisions...

6-handed 15/30. Dean is CO and I think he is tilting. Not super-monkey aggro tilt, but he is misplaying some hands. I have beat him out of a couple pots recently. I'm running good.

UTG (fish, sometimes gets out of line) limps. I raise A9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] next to act. Dean 3-bets. Button folds. SB (no read) calls, BB (bad lag) calls, everyone else calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, call call.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB bets, UTG calls, I call, Dean raises, SB 3-bets, UTG folds, I fold.

I really think I [censored] this up. I don't know why I called the flop.
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Old 12-31-2005, 02:39 AM
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Default Re: A few decisions...

I would have raised the flop and folded when everyone went nuts on the turn. Def not fold for one bet on the flop.
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:35 AM
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Default Re: A few decisions...

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I would have raised the flop and folded when everyone went nuts on the turn. Def not fold for one bet on the flop.

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Folding on the flop for one bet would be blasmphemy
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Old 12-31-2005, 05:14 AM
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Not raising the flop is really bad.



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Old 12-31-2005, 03:33 AM
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Default Re: A few decisions...

i usually just raise the flop here but since you know that we will proceed from there.

After calling the flop why no raise on the turn? I think you need to put a raise in somewhere and why not here? Given the action thus far it appears you have the best hand.

I dont know who dean is but since you called him by his name I assume he is decent. Would he really wait to raise an overpair on the turn in a big multiway pot?

I raise turn. If three bet I fold. Raising the turn might drive dean off a better hand but I really doubt it. River should play itself for the most part.

Oh yeah one more thing raise the flop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:54 AM
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Why no raise anywhere? Could you explain what you were thinking? I raise the flop, since with only a 9 I don't want to wait till the turn since so many cards could come and crush me.
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:28 AM
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Default Re: A few decisions...

Ok, thought about this some more. I think my flop call is correct. I like the entire hand.

Flop call because if I am ahead, I am not getting anyone drawing live against me out. There's a potential of dean raising and other guy capping, and I will have to pay a lot of bets when I am behind. I wanted to see what dean would do too. If I'm 3-bet on the flop, I am behind nearly 100% of the time. Also, if dean raises, it puts me in excellent position to bet into him and clear the field on the turn if I like the card.

The turn, I thought the guy betting out into a field that was 3-bet PF was sane and he, at best, had the same hand as me. I didn't want to pay 3 bets to see a river when he could 3-bet me with a set or two pair. I also had a slight feeling that dean was sandbagging with something like JJ or QQ to raise a safe turn.

Dean is a 2p2er.
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:33 AM
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Default Re: A few decisions...

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Flop call because if I am ahead, I am not getting anyone drawing live against me out.

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SB won't fold a hand like TJ for 2? Also, Dean can call correctly with a 3 outer (AK/AQ/AJ) if you call but can't if you raise.

EDIT: I'm an idiot and sb bet this flop...for some reason I thought BB bet and Sb was still to act. Disregard this point.

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Also, if dean raises, it puts me in excellent position to bet into him and clear the field on the turn if I like the card.

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If Dean raises the flop after you call I'm not so sure you want to clear the field. In other words, you're usually screwed.

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If I'm 3-bet on the flop, I am behind nearly 100% of the time.

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Is this so bad? You risk one sb to give you some protection if ahead (see above) and get some decent information. Seems worth it to me.

EDIT: Oh, one more thing. A lot of turn cards will make SB freeze up and check to you, denying you the opportunity to make your move.
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:36 AM
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Not raising the flop is really bad.
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:43 AM
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Default Re: A few decisions...

He would be getting around 9:1 if I raise. Edit: wow, I shouldn't post like this. I thought he had 6 outs with AK.

Right on the second point. I'm a little high right now.

I don't think you realize how much strength SB is showing by betting into a field of 4 after the 3-bet PF.
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