Newbie with a flopped set - Page 2

MarzH05 · #11 05-29-2005, 08:31 PM

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I would not slowplay at this point. There is almost $30 in the pot already. No question I would push all-in here. SB probably has QQ or higher, MP might just have a J. Win the money now.

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Push the flop? No way. If they have an overpair or TPTK, at best they are drawing to 2 outs. Pushing the flop gives away your hand too much, and lets them get away with their hand. Raise that flop, push the turn.

Saborion · #12 05-30-2005, 03:16 AM

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You are not trying to get their STACK you are trying to get their MONEY.

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And since when doesn't their stack tontain money? I know the goal of the game is to win money, and by getting their stack that's what I will be getting, their money. On a flop like this with a set, all I can hope for is that my opponent has an overpair that he can't let go off, and thus I will get his stack.

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No?
What will you do if a 6 or a 3 comes on the turn?

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I push. If only the preflop raiser calls my flop raise that card isn't likely to have helped him. The pot contains ~$80 and I only have ~$4x left. Easy push imo. If both the PFR and MP calls, well, PFR isn't likely to have been helped by either of those cards, and even though the MP may have made a straight (which is just a few combinations of the hands he can hold btw), I still have lots of outs. The combination of all of this doesn't really make it a tough play. Especially considering the pot size on the turn if both oppponents choose to call.

Saborion · #13 05-30-2005, 03:18 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($48.25)
Hero ($75.95)
SB ($91.9)
BB ($45.5)
UTG ($169.36)
MP ($48.1)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, SB (poster) raises to $2.75, BB calls $2.50, UTG folds, MP calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($12.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $10, BB folds, MP calls $10, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $20, MP folds.

Turn: ($82.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero calls $42.95 (All-In), SB calls $42.95.

River: ($168.40) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $168.40
Main Pot: $168.40, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by Hero ($168.40).

Results:
SB has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero has 5c 5s (full house, fives full of jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $168.40.

theblitz · #14 05-30-2005, 04:20 AM

Great result!
Classic case of thinking that pocket Aces always win.
Keep an eye on this guy.

fuzzbox · #15 05-30-2005, 04:32 AM

Looks good to me, a great chance to stack against AA, KK, QQ, 44 or maybe AJ. Likely hands for SB are AA-JJ and maybe AK.

You get burned against JJ, but c'est la vie.

Atropos · #16 05-30-2005, 05:30 AM

You played it fine. Raising 3x the betters bet seems to extract the maximum in most cases. If the flop was more dangerous for you like JT5 with flush draw, pushing might be better...