Are you convinced enough to fold?

[bernie]

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but if you're not goign to fold, I see no reason to 3-bet the flop

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There might be some value to it if you are ahead, however, if i'm only calling the raise, the turn is going 2 bets on a 'safe' card. Whether i bet out, or c/r. You're not protecting anything on the flop by 3 betting since they just coldcalled the first time.

Clarky had a great thread on this type of hand in mid stakes. "75-150 hand' i think it was. Though it was a little different table texture.

b

[bernie]

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and if you really wanted to be sure, you could've bet the turn. if raised, you're beat

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You still can't be sure since you don't have any reads. Granted, it's very likely, but im still not folding. Im betting out on the turn hoping to get it HU.

b

[Saborion]

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If you're going to read a raise on a raggy flop by a pre-flop 3 bettor as AK thats fine just cap it preflop, it's esentially the same thing and you get more "info" post flop by capping preflop.

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Huh? I thought I said that I often see people raise AK in that spot, not that I put him on AK. The combination of AK, AA-TT made me 3-bet it. I didn't cap preflop since there are 3 overcards that is scary. When none of those arrive at the flop, if he has AK/AQ, I'm in a very good shape.

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You cap preflop and he still raises that's totally different than calling a 3 bet preflop and you get raised.

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He's less likely to have AK in that situation, yes, but he'll still have it sometimes, no?

[Saborion]

This post sure show how bad a player I am huh.
I thought capping preflop wasn't a good idea, but Pokercalculator just showed me I was wrong.

Not sure it's of any interest since you would've capped preflop, but say you mis-clicked and didn't. Now why wouldn't you 3-bet the flop? Am I wrong when I think that my opponents play is AK more often than it's a lower pair like 99? (TT I think play the same way, and I really doubt 88 would 3-bet prelfop unless way overaggro. I would say 99 needs to be aggro too, but I'll draw the line there)

[Harv72b]

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I just didn't think they capped the flop, hence why I got curious. =)

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Actually, had this hand happen on Stars earlier tonight (going from memory because my mail doesn't like Stars or vice versa...whatever):

Hero is on the button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Folded to CO. CO raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7J9 rainbow
BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB folds, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 3
bet/call

River: Another 7
bet/call

CO shows A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[earlofduke]

Hey harv72b you haven't bailed yet? Aren't you known as a quitter?

[Sarge85]

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I guess so, I dont think you will see TT-88 here very often.

MP has anything from bottom-2.pair to a OESD or gutshot. Could be 7x too I guess if he is passive, but not that often.

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I agree with Trix. Looking at the hand, i think Hero is beat.

But I don't know that I'm capable of making a laydown [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

I hate it, because like the hero, I know in my gut I'm beat, but damn it, I have an overpair!

Hope it worked out, but it's not looking good.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]