10 10 In position with Over card

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Commerce $5 $10

Loose player makes it $50 to go in mid late position (he has been making lots of raises) I look down at 1010 and make it $100 to go and he calls.

Flop comes J62 rainbow and its checked to me. I bet $150 and get called.

The turn is again checked to me and I check back.

The river is again blank and my opponent bets $100.

I fold and my opponent shows 99!!! Bad fold?

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Bad fold?

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yes.

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Bad fold?

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yes.

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Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning.

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Bad fold?

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yes.

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Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning.

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that thread was a wreck. pay no attention to it.

never forget poker is all about pot odds.
in this case, you each put in 100 preflop and 150 on the flop.
now youve got 500 in the pot and he bets 100.
calling 100 to win 600 there is a no-brainer.
if youre hand is good 1 out of 7, you break even... you will win far mpore than this. dont worry about feeling foolish if hes milking you w/ a J or slowplayed set/big pair... the guy bet only 1/5 of the pot, so, if he was trying to get value out of the winner the jokes on him.

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Bad fold?

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Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning.

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that thread was a wreck. pay no attention to it.

never forget poker is all about pot odds.
in this case, you each put in 100 preflop and 150 on the flop.
now youve got 500 in the pot and he bets 100.
calling 100 to win 600 there is a no-brainer.
if youre hand is good 1 out of 7, you break even... you will win far mpore than this. dont worry about feeling foolish if hes milking you w/ a J or slowplayed set/big pair... the guy bet only 1/5 of the pot, so, if he was trying to get value out of the winner the jokes on him.

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in fact against certain players, I could make a case occasionally for a bluff raise on the river to get him to lay down a weak jack. But calling is easily the standad play

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Bad fold?

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yes.

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Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning.

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The difference in that hand is that the preflop reraise and the river value bet from the overcards were assumed to be substantial.

If you'd made it 175 preflop, he called, then you bet 300 on the flop, he called, you checked turn, and he bet 600 on the river, you still like your TT now?

Calling a preflop min-reraise is routine. Calling a 1/5 pot river bet when there's only one overcard out is also routine. That's why everyone is treating this hand like it's not such a big deal.

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Bad fold?

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yes.

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Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning.

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The difference in that hand is that the preflop reraise and the river value bet from the overcards were assumed to be substantial.

If you'd made it 175 preflop, he called, then you bet 300 on the flop, he called, you checked turn, and he bet 600 on the river, you still like your TT now?

Calling a preflop min-reraise is routine. Calling a 1/5 pot river bet when there's only one overcard out is also routine. That's why everyone is treating this hand like it's not such a big deal.

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Your right, I would hate it, but their would be a decision, after all he checked the turn. Is he the type of player to slow play a big hand? You checked behind on the turn, there is some chance he is bluffing and behind. Against a solid player I would lay it down, against a loose maniac type I would have to consider a call.

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Thank you I think I should have called too. However there was a recent discussion on this board regarding AQ vs JJ where 99% of the people on this board said JJ would never call a bet on the turn or river (unless a J hit) if an over card hit the flop and the opponent called the continuation bet on the flop. This struck me as odd, but I am still learning.

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The difference in that hand is that the preflop reraise and the river value bet from the overcards were assumed to be substantial.

If you'd made it 175 preflop, he called, then you bet 300 on the flop, he called, you checked turn, and he bet 600 on the river, you still like your TT now?

Calling a preflop min-reraise is routine. Calling a 1/5 pot river bet when there's only one overcard out is also routine. That's why everyone is treating this hand like it's not such a big deal.

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Your right, I would hate it, but their would be a decision, after all he checked the turn. Is he the type of player to slow play a big hand? You checked behind on the turn, there is some chance he is bluffing and behind. Against a solid player I would lay it down, against a loose maniac type I would have to consider a call.

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Mason's example is about solid players. This opponent, who bets 1/5 pot on the river, is almost certainly not a solid player.

Raise more preflop; he'll never fold for 50 more.

Do you really think you were worse than 6-1 that you had the best hand there? He definitely seemed ridiculously weak; he would have easily been weak-bluffing the river with overcards, have a lower pp, etc.

I would definitely call vs. a LAGgy player.

youre playing 5/10 and min raising preflop? i think thats your first problem to be honest.


make it 175.