A Little Preflop Excercise

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
--K3s on the button after 4 limpers
What? Fold this crap.

[/ QUOTE ]

I disagree, if the limpers are bad/otherwise predictable.

Rob

[DMBFan23]

[ QUOTE ]

--K3s on the button after 4 limpers
What? Fold this crap.

--JT on the button after 6 limpers
This is usually a call. But raising and folding probably aren't awful. JTo on the button is a thin EV hand either way.

--K9s in MP after 1 limper
Standard fold for me.


[/ QUOTE ]


eeewwwwwwww

everything else you wrote I like

[sthief]

wow I'm really surprised how many of these I disagree with you on

[frank_iii]

Just to clarify, are you saying to raise every hand you'd otherwise limp with, outside of the small pocket pairs?

I'm up for this...perhaps I'll do it all week. If my normal VPIP is 17, I should expect to see stats of 17 VPIP and a PFR somewhere in the range of 13-16, correct?

My concern with this is that I may get 3-bet much more often by observant opponents.

The J9s thread sure was interesting.

[cassady]

Ummmm, or 18/9 players?

[Octopus]

[ QUOTE ]
cold calling is allowed too.

[/ QUOTE ]

Since when?

[Spicymoose]

Thanks for the responses, but I have more questions [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You said you should raise 87s on the button after two limpers. I don't really see the purpose of this. You will most likely be up against around 3 opponents, and if you miss the flop (which you often will), what are you going to do? Why not just get in cheap and continue if you like the flop? Are you raising with 76s, 65s, and 54s, or do you just call with those?

Raising with 88-77 in MP. Do you raise regardless of how many limpers, or is that a factor? I would think you would want fewer limpers if you are raising with these hands.

K9s raising after a limper. Is this to isolate him? Do you also raise QTs after 1 limper, what about JTs?

What do you do with A4s after 1 limper 3 off the button? What if there was no limper?

Also, would you agree that you should raise more hands from the CO than from the button, as raising from the CO has the extra advantage of buying the button, whereas it is just given to you in the other situation?

Sorry for so many questions, but with a VPIP of 16.5, and a PRF of 9.5 I feel I have plenty of improvements I need to make preflop.


EDIT: Just had J9s in the CO after 1 limper, and I raised. Good?
Thanks,
Spicymoose

[Bill C]

This is just a superior thread for a player at my level! Thanks!
Could someone supply me with the "J-9 thread?" I missed it.

bill c [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[QTip]

Here ya go

[private joker]

[ QUOTE ]
wow I'm really surprised how many of these I disagree with you on

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty tight preflop. It's a style. I don't think people who play K3s after a few limpers in LP are really "wrong," but I think it's better to fold that crap. I don't think people who limp Axs UTG are that wrong either (I used to do this at 2/4), but I think it's better to fold.

Part of the reason I've tightened up preflop is because of the move to 3/6, which I think requires a smaller VP$IP stat, and also because I don't want to get involved with extremely marginal hands until I play better post flop. Maybe CDC can call raises with junk suited crap from the BB or limp on the button with 43o, but I can't. I just can't make up the missed bets.

My favorite part of TAG play is the T.