Counting outs at the remedial level.

[bozlax]

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By the way I usually don't make that call pre-flop, but on a table like this maybe its not bad?

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You're getting 8.5:1 with ace-high and straights possible. Not completing here is a pretty large mistake.

Long, tedious AND mind numbing!?

I'm in!

Seriously, I'll check it out. Thanks.

[charlie_t_jr]

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By the way I usually don't make that call pre-flop, but on a table like this maybe its not bad?

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You're getting 8.5:1 with ace-high and straights possible. Not completing here is a pretty large mistake.

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I generally almost never make this call. Pretty much for all the reasons listed in other responses discounting the outs. In the other response you said it was a "near certainty" that someone limp with A/rag. So I don't know at a table like this, maybe it's a mistake but a "large" mistake?

[shant]

Is this a standard complete at these levels? I fold A8o and lower in the SB in this situation.

Edit: Sometimes A9o too.

[charlie_t_jr]

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By the way I usually don't make that call pre-flop, but on a table like this maybe its not bad?

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You're getting 8.5:1 with ace-high and straights possible. Not completing here is a pretty large mistake.

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I generally almost never make this call. Pretty much for all the reasons listed in other responses discounting the outs. In the other response you said it was a "near certainty" that someone limp with A/rag. So I don't know at a table like this, maybe it's a mistake but a "large" mistake?

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You know what. I've rarely played .25/.50. What is the SB. If it's more the 1/2, I may think more about completing.

One thing I'm really having to work on at these levels is the low value of money. I have a hard time being concerned about completing for 10 cents. I realize that I shouldn't worry about the money at any level, but when completing means a dollar instead of a dime, I tend to take it more seriously.

The downside to dropping all the way down in limits for practice (which I desperately need, obviously).

When to complete/not to complete is tough for me.

[Str8Fish]

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wow I don't see it anywhere near you played it.

1) Don't even complete in SB with A4o. That's an awful hand.
2) Flop: I only see 4 outs to 2's here. An ace with your kicker is just awful... so I would count maybe 1 out to the Ace. So you have ~5 outs total. You don't have outs to your four nor do you have outs to 3's. If preflop wasn't good enough to fold at, I would fold here too.
3 and 4) same thoughts.

You need to read WLLHE a little more about outs.

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One thing I'm really having to work on at these levels is the low value of money. I have a hard time being concerned about completing for 10 cents. I realize that I shouldn't worry about the money at any level, but when completing means a dollar instead of a dime, I tend to take it more seriously.

The downside to dropping all the way down in limits for practice (which I desperately need, obviously).

When to complete/not to complete is tough for me.

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It's good you admit this. I think that's probably the biggest reason that microlimits are so profitable. People have a hard time taking the money seriously. I played for years in a $2-$5 spread limit game at the local B&M. When I started playing .5/1 at Party my wife laughed at me, but when I showed her that I could make "real" money at this level she quit laughing. The point is that you have to treat each bet as a bet, not as just 10 cents or whatever. Think of it this way. You can play and learn with a bankroll that is 1/10th of what I needed to start. I've learned so much more in the few months of playing micros online, than I did in 15 years at the B&M. I get so many more hands, I can play just a few minutes at a time, and a bad session at micros is only $20 compared to $200 or more at the B&M. All wins - if you can take it seriously. If you can't, you'll just develop bad habits that will be impossible to break if you try to move up.

Well right now, I have $17 until my bonus hits. I mean, $500 is just a neteller deposit away, but the best way for me to take it seriously is to play with a correspondingly low bank roll.

I want to go back to $1/$2, The money to bankroll myself is really not an issue, but what's the point if I can't even make money at $.25/$.50?

I understand. I'm in the same situation. I got tired of spewing at the B&M and gave myself a fixed amount to play with. I resolved I wouldn't dig into my regular money and that my poker bankroll is only for poker. When it's gone, no more poker for a long time. That would be sad for me 'cause I love the game so. That's my motivation for taking it seriously. Actually, I've done really well at the micros only to take it to the B&M and blow it in live games and tourneys. Not sure why, 'cause the competition seems tougher online.