Standard fold with flush draw on flop?

#1 12-26-2005, 09:59 PM

I have never played a hand of poker with the villain--ever. No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($100.25)
BB ($100)
UTG ($199.65)
UTG+1 ($99)
Hero ($114.15)
MP1 ($132.55)
MP2 ($95.80)
MP3 ($113.70)
CO ($95.15)
Button ($138.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 6 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $3, Hero folds, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($9.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $5, BB folds.

Final Pot: $14.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG+1 wins $14.50.

#2 12-26-2005, 10:30 PM

My thinking is Raise > Fold > Call on the flop.

Fallen Hero · #3 12-26-2005, 10:49 PM

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I have never played a hand of poker with the villain--ever. No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($100.25)
BB ($100)
UTG ($199.65)
UTG+1 ($99)
Hero ($114.15)
MP1 ($132.55)
MP2 ($95.80)
MP3 ($113.70)
CO ($95.15)
Button ($138.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 6 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $3, Hero folds, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($9.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $5, BB folds.

Final Pot: $14.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG+1 wins $14.50. 

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no, not standard at all

youngin20 · #4 12-26-2005, 11:42 PM

depends on UTG, I call here, see what happens on the turn.

#5 12-26-2005, 11:52 PM

A couple different answers so far. I was curious to see how most of us are playing this very common situation.

I think it is important that this was an A high flop.

How do others play this, and why?

Fallen Hero · #6 12-26-2005, 11:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
A couple different answers so far. I was curious to see how most of us are playing this very common situation.

I think it is important that this was an A high flop.

How do others play this, and why?

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I raise the flop, if utg+1 has the ace he can't like his kicker so I don't see him poting the turn, if he has better than the A he might try to check raise the turn. And there's always the chance he folds now.

#7 12-27-2005, 12:01 AM

I'd call the flop. You are 4:1 to make the flush on the turn. The pot odds are slightly better than 2:1, but if you hit I'd expect to make another $6 often enough to make if pay.

Also BB may call (he did I see!) and the bettor may check on the turn, giving you a free card. He didn't raise pre-flop so if he has an Ace, I doubt he has a real strong kicker.

Against this since you are drawing to the 2nd nut flush, you have to allow for the possibility of making your flush and getting beat. Still I think it's a thin call.