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Old 12-13-2005, 11:14 PM
Mvcode3 Mvcode3 is offline
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Default QQ couldn\'t lay it down

Sorry I couldn't get the hand converter to work. Party 22's early no real reads on the villian. Should I have folded here? The limp reraise looks pretty fishy.



***** Hand History for Game 3196137746 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18254097) - Tue Dec 13 20:01:44 EST 2005
Table Table 67351 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: elkboy67 (800)
Seat 2: KDLEWIS (785)
Seat 3: Strategeo (840)
Seat 4: NoShow823 (800)
Seat 5: rocket44222 (800)
Seat 6: gadropout999 (680)
Seat 7: Reza_ (925)
Seat 8: CrazyCheese (755)
Seat 9: darren67 (830)
Seat 10: Joe_Dirt001 (785)
Joe_Dirt001 posts small blind (10)
elkboy67 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Strategeo [ Qc, Qh ]
KDLEWIS calls (15)
Strategeo raises (100) to 100
NoShow823 folds.
rocket44222 folds.
gadropout999 folds.
Reza_ folds.
CrazyCheese folds.
darren67 folds.
Joe_Dirt001 folds.
elkboy67 folds.
KDLEWIS raises (285) to 300
Strategeo calls (200)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 4c, 8h ]
KDLEWIS bets (300)

Strategeo???
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:17 PM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: QQ couldn\'t lay it down

This flop hasn't change anything. You made your decision pf IMO for a flop like this. Pooooooosh.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:21 PM
Mvcode3 Mvcode3 is offline
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Default Re: QQ couldn\'t lay it down

I felt that I could fold to an overcard if it hit on the flop. T540 early in a tourny is still enough to have a shot at the $. Would you fold/call/raise/push preflop then?
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:23 PM
liucipher liucipher is offline
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Default Re: QQ couldn\'t lay it down

I personally woulda just pushed this preflop.

I definitely push the flop.

I don't think giving people credit for KK+ at any point in the game is really +EV...
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: QQ couldn\'t lay it down

Push preflop, Push flop, and be very, very happy.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:27 PM
Mvcode3 Mvcode3 is offline
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Default Re: QQ couldn\'t lay it down

I think the limp re-raise is a DEAD giveaway that he has a monster. If he limps AK i feel he just calls and sees the flop. This hand just gave me the feeling that I was walking into a trap.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:27 PM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: QQ couldn\'t lay it down

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I felt that I could fold to an overcard if it hit on the flop. T540 early in a tourny is still enough to have a shot at the $. Would you fold/call/raise/push preflop then?

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Meh, pf I think either is alright. Toss up between protecting / ensuring you don't fold the best hand on flop and extracting value from an underpair... I think I push pf, but I wouldn't think someone was a donkey for flat calling.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:27 PM
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How many people limp-reraise 3/8ths of their stack with JJ or AK, and then lead for such a tantalyzingly-small amount on a blank, low flop after the initial raiser called their huge reraise preflop? Almost none. If he had limp-reraised allin preflop, I think you should call, expecting a middle pocket pair most of the time. Without reads, as played, I think this is AA or KK trying to suck you in 8 or 9/10 times, meaning you don't have odds to call the flop bet. Vomit, and fold those ladies.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:28 PM
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This is a tough one preflop. A limp/re-raise is a pretty sophisticated play for a complete donk. That's not to say you won't find 77 here often enough to make pushing +EV. I'm interested to see what people would do. At the 22's is it going to cost you to give an opponent that much credit? I personally don't hate the cold call. Once you see that flop it's an autopush.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:28 PM
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Is this kind of limp reraise really scary enough that you'd consider not pushing, and then consider folding to a flop with an overcard? Sure, it could be AA/KK/AK, but it could be a whole mess of other hands, all of which you crush, and want to be getting it all in preflop vs.

I'm new to SNGs too, but this seems like a situation that's begging you to push preflop after his reraise. Don't give him credit for having AA/KK here. As you played it, you gotta shove that flop.

edit: Perhaps a limp/reraise is enough of a tell to talk you into folding this? Some seem to think so. People also seem to give credence to the UTG minraise, and I've seen horrible cards shown down when someone minraises from UTG...
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