flops a monster.... - Page 2

Blackjack · #11 06-07-2005, 12:10 PM

Why not check/call flop, weak bet the turn, and fire out on the river again?

kado · #12 06-07-2005, 12:24 PM

i think you have to lead out on flop and you can just sit and hope he is sitting on a big hand. check the turn shows a little fear and depending on his bet(strong or weak) you can see if you can get his stack before the river even comes.

Blackjack · #13 06-07-2005, 12:26 PM

Kado, you're going to get a continuation bet out of him.. and then another one of the turn easily..

gomberg · #14 06-07-2005, 12:32 PM

It seems this is a function of how much you'll get from a continuation bet vs. hoping he has a big hand.

If he has a big hand (any pair pretty much), he'll probably at least call a flop bet and / or raise. If he doesn't he could fold or call and try to take the pot away from you on the turn (or he may hit an overcard and play for a cheaper showdown).

I think the best way to stack him is to bet out, but I'm not sure it's the most +EV play here (read, you won't stack him too often but will get some bets out of him a lot of the time). He will at least fire a continuation bet though.

Blackjack · #15 06-07-2005, 12:33 PM

If he makes a continuation bet and actually has a hand, you're going to get paid off when you C/R the turn. If he doesn't have a hand, you're insuring that you at least pick up 2 bets on the flop and the turn.

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gomberg · #16 06-07-2005, 01:24 PM

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bet the turn if I checked twice to him if I chk / call the flop based on previous hands.

fsuplayer · #17 06-07-2005, 01:44 PM

lead the flop. i had a very similar hand, lemme see if i can dig it up.

yup, here it is....

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

BB ($1108)
UTG ($1078)
Hero ($2280)
CO ($1072.75)
Button ($4388.51)
SB ($990)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, Hero calls $10, CO calls $10, Button raises to $55, 2 folds, Hero calls $45, CO folds.

Flop: ($135) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $130, Button calls $130.

Turn: ($395) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $300, Button calls $300.

River: ($995) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $993, Button raises to $1986, Hero calls $802 (All-In).

Final Pot: $4776

hehe, good times.

thabadguy · #18 06-07-2005, 01:51 PM

KK?

gomberg · #19 06-07-2005, 01:53 PM

That's exactly what I was hoping for. I lead $100, he folds [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Oh well, I was lucky to get quads but unlucky that he didn't have a hand.

Blackjack · #20 06-07-2005, 01:54 PM

IF he has a hand.. check/call flop and checkraise the turn is the best way to make the most money out of it.

Disagree? What line would you take to extract the most money out of him when he has a hand?

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