100NL : KK, can I get away from this flop with overpair?

[cbloom]

Yet another situation with KK and a side pot.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, button goes all in on short stack for $20
Hero just calls $19 in BB. UTG calls $17.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Pot about $60, we each have about $80 left.
Hero pushes allin. UTG calls.


I know some want a raise preflop to isolate the shortie allin, but even without a raise it's a big call from UTG, and if I don't raise I can get paid by hands like QQ. If an ace flops I'm probably losing anyway.

Anyway, this flop is scary; is there any way I could get more information and possibly fold if beat? It's a dry side pot at this point, so maybe we'd check it down without big hands?

[2PAUL2]

this is fine. he'll call with plenty of stuff you beat on the flop and theres no bet you can make an then fold to a push.

paul

i think its a hard call..there are several hands u are behind on... lets look at possible calls preflop...he may call preflop with 10,10...bad but possible....JJ-possbile.....88-possible but not prob..... i would put him on AKs or AKs with that push and surely spades... so if he has AKs that would give him 14 outs... with two cards to come i beleive u are an underdog...but then again i might call if put in that spot depending on if i have acumulated any info on the guy