couple more boring 100/200 hands

captZEEbo1 · #1 12-19-2005, 07:06 AM

Feel free to comment on only 1 hand if you want

Sorry I'm posting so many hands. Let me know if I shouldn't do this anymore, it just seems like if I made a post with one hand, first poster would respond and say "blah blah standard" and that'd be that. If any high stakes pro (must be a winner in 100/200+) wants to brush up on NL, I'd be happy to discuss hands over AIM or something (where you'd help me on limit and I'd help you on NL).

hand 1:
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Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (6 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
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I have no fold equity here, so is this a value bet or a chk call vs a higher pair or bluff? Not sure what to do. Also is flop call okay, I assume it is? If turn was king and he bets again is it a fold?
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hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises

is it dumb to raise these flops since it's so dry, or should I wait till turn? I figure any pair calls me down here if I raise flop. if I call flop and go for turn raise, he might call me down with a turned pair...
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hand 3:
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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets...
and should my river plan on a blank (2-T) be to bet again and hope to get called by some A hi hand?

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hand 4:
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

betting turn is a spew here right? I assume no Queen will drop if I bet both turn and river. Would you call a river bet here if he led into you?

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hand 5:
this one HU vs JERRRY
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $100.
Hero raises, Button (poster) calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

...Is this line stupid? I figure I have no fold equity vs a better hand, and don't want to get raised off my hand?
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hand 6:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
Anyone like turn or river raise here?
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hand 7:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, Button 3-bets, Hero folds, BB folds, MP calls.
is this a fold? What's the minimum pair I should cap or cc here?
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hand 8:
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB
Any comments? I don't really like betting these flops where I have no pair no draw and can't showdown with A hi, not sure if I "have" to...b/c seems like these guys will call the flop with 2 overs, any pair or gut, then I'll have to hit a pair to win the pot. When I bet this river, am I forced to call the c/r? I know he knows that I just have a queen, so is he trying to get me off a queen enough % of the time? I feel like ANY king could make a value c/r on this river.

durrrr · #2 12-19-2005, 07:42 AM

i suck @ non-hu limit as u know:

1) bet.
2) fine.
3) meh. opponent dependent.
4) bet/fld turn?
5) obv.
6) no; riv> turn tho; unless its turn for a free sd.
7) i nvr cc here b/c i dont play uber-goot postflop. I assume u dont either; and i think this should be taken into accound. Personally i'd cap TT+.
8) wtf? i bet flop, i cal river.

flawless_victory · #3 12-19-2005, 08:11 AM

1. cap preflop, bet river

2. cap preflop, i usually wait for turn, but raising flop is fine.

3. i like betting turn and yes i will bet a really good blank hoping to get paid off by worse aces.

4. fine, turn bet is spewing IMO, yes. u have a gutshot def take the free card.

5. looks good all the way.

6. i would fold as well unless they were really roudy... 88 is often a play and 99 cap that sh.t ez.

7. fine.

8. i like it all. im a litle suspicious on the river and u may want to pay that CR off, but tats really opponent dependent stuff... most ppl arent throwing out 2BB to stel that tiny pot when it really look like u hit a Q... still good hands usually bet the river hoping small pair/Ahigh looks them up, so it is a bit sus.

imitation · #4 12-19-2005, 10:12 AM

From the spectra of hands you've posted here you don't seem very agressive preflop correct, for my mind hand 3 really strikes me as confusing, I don't think you should bet the river because any observant player will probably have noticed your preflop tendencies and I can't for the life of me imagine what you're betting that river with that is worst than AK, AQ(maybe you are more inclined to check this one? if not how low do you / can you value bet Ah here..), so I follow on to conclude I can't imagine a good player calling with worst Ahs often, I do however fear you being looked up by low/mid PPs.

Hand 1: I like bet on the river

Hand 2: I like raising the flops on dry boards, it can be quite enjoyable when they disregard you and call the flop with KJ hit a K and you get 2 BB and 1 more in on the river under their own aggression. But I sometimes wait for the turn, i'd say I peddle more aggressively on the flop because I tend to peddle everything more aggressively on that street.

Hand 4: fine

Hand 5: don't like to comment I don't play HU or very short enough or well enough to have anything productive to say. But from what I hear pairs are like royal flushes in HU or something.

Hand 6: I understand this hand I think it's good. If you raised PF from MP or button, do you think playing the flop aggressively would be better, I tend to think I would have raised the flop normally if I had opened from MP/CO or Button, because it's how I normally play it, see hand 2 aggresively playing flops being my status quo.

Hand 7: I would

Hand 8: I'd be happy if I checked flops like this with my Q9o more often, just for all the reasons you noted. I think call river after the raise it's to "heh wtf" for me.

Jeff W · #5 12-19-2005, 03:54 PM

Hand 1: There are different lines you can take with a pocket underpair on an Ace high, uncoordinate board. One I like is check-call flop, bet-fold turn, check-fold river if he calls. I would cap pre flop.

Hand 2: This is fine with no read. By raising the flop you minimize your losses when behind and represent a bluff raise so he is obligated to call down with any pair.

Hand 3: Well played. My default without a read would be to check behind unimproved on the river--especially if it completes a draw. This depends a lot on how suspicious people play at the stars 1/2 and how aggressive they would play a pair. If they are very suspicious, their calling range can make a value bet on the river correct and if they're aggressive with a hand like 44 on this board, then you can narrow them down to a missed draw or marginal made hand less than a pair.

Hand 4-7: Fine. Reads might change any of these(especially 5--it's hard to answer questions from HU matches with no context) significantly.

Hand 8: This is one of those flops where a check behind is fine against two players. Bet that K turn because it's one of the best bluffing cards in the deck. What a wierd river checkraise...I'd call because it makes no sense for him to do this with a strong hand. It seems likely that this is a simultaneous induce bluff+bluff checkraise(he thinks you're bluffing and he has a hand like AT that doesn't want an overcall).