Ok, so who's the moron in this hand? Me or the other guys?

J_B · #1 02-10-2005, 08:55 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (13 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls, CO calls.

River: (25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 37 BB

btspider · #2 02-10-2005, 08:56 PM

you shouldn't have seen this showdown. i think you can fold to CO's turn 3-bet.

CO has AA.
MP1 has 3x or 88

LoaferGee12 · #3 02-10-2005, 09:22 PM

What exactly did you put those two players on that you had beat after the turn 3-bet.

J_B · #4 02-10-2005, 09:25 PM

I figured on a pair of 8s possibly just 2 overcards. MP1 is very very loose and very aggressive.

CO I figured on AK or AQ.

yellowjack · #5 02-10-2005, 09:29 PM

You both overplayed this at one point in the hand.
Capping PF at a 10 handed table (even if it is Party) definitely requires AK/AA/KK/QQ (though I haven't played there for a long time). Capping the flop narrows it to AA/KK/QQ. I would call down the turn/river UI. You definitely should not be capping this on the turn and river without the set, considering the PF and flop action. Opponent could easily have AA/KK/TT/88/55; just because they play piss-poor preflop doesn't mean they're as bad from the flop forward.

yellowjack · #6 02-10-2005, 09:31 PM

I think I probably would have folded UI on the turn. Only real hand you can beat is JJ, and they can't both have it.

Catt · #7 02-10-2005, 10:06 PM

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Capping PF at a 10 handed table (even if it is Party) definitely requires AK/AA/KK/QQ (though I haven't played there for a long time).

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You haven't played there in a while. A pre-flop cap can come from a wider range of hands than AA/KK/QQ/AK.

But I agree that this hand was overplayed.

btspider · #8 02-10-2005, 11:07 PM

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MP1 is very very loose and very aggressive.

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well, you kind of have to provide this in the first post.. see how that's relevant from our perspective?

bottomset · #9 02-10-2005, 11:24 PM

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you shouldn't have seen this showdown. i think you can fold to CO's turn 3-bet.

CO has AA.
MP1 has 3x or 88

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ya unless the CO is a maniac, you are crushed on this turn

J_B · #10 02-11-2005, 01:19 AM

bt: Your right, I'm a bit of a new poster on here.. I'll get it right one of these days!

End result was CO had AA, MP1 true to form had A3o.

Oddly enough I've been seeing the high pocket pairs stacked against eachother with some frequency lately on party.. Probably just dumb luck.

JB