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Old 09-26-2005, 09:59 PM
AlphaWice AlphaWice is offline
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Default AQ UTG+1 awful?

PokerStars Game #2668934567: Tournament #12956673, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/26 - 21:57:05 (ET)
Table '12956673 247' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: GodMaster (1550 in chips)
Seat 2: bikerfett (1520 in chips)
Seat 3: AlphaWice (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: nealster (680 in chips)
Seat 5: Lola_G (1390 in chips)
Seat 6: cobratomato (2470 in chips)
Seat 7: Toaster11 (1380 in chips)
Seat 8: SIMDOG11 (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: imtheahole (1480 in chips)
imtheahole: posts small blind 10
GodMaster: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AlphaWice [Qs Ah]
bikerfett: raises 60 to 80
AlphaWice: folds
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Old 09-26-2005, 10:22 PM
tiger7210 tiger7210 is offline
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Default Re: AQ UTG+1 awful?

yes, awful. You have position and a strong hand. You can make a case here for flat calling or even reraising here and trying to take the lead as well as getting some information about strength of opponent's hand as well as getting the pot HU in position. If he reraises you can be pretty sure you're beat and if he flat calls you have position the rest of the way but I really can't see folding here unless you have some incredible read on villain that he would only raise from UTG w AA/KK/QQ/AK.
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Old 09-26-2005, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: AQ UTG+1 awful?

I don't think the fold was terrible. High card hands are not great with deep money. UTG raised 4xBB. The play may be loose this early and UTG may not have a great hand, but any standard UTG raising hand other than AQ is ahead of AQ.

I would probably flat call, but reraising is bad. UTG is representing a better hand than yours, and there are 8 players to act. What if you reraise and UTG or someone else puts in a 3rd raise?
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Old 09-26-2005, 11:29 PM
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I don't think the fold was terrible. High card hands are not great with deep money. UTG raised 4xBB. The play may be loose this early and UTG may not have a great hand, but any standard UTG raising hand other than AQ is ahead of AQ.

and there are 8 players to act.

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Old 09-26-2005, 11:59 PM
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hmm, AQoff isn't that strong after early raise, but 2 factors lead me to call:

1.) You'll have position on him
2.) You can always just throw away your hand if you don't connect and not lose a lot of money

any reads on the raiser would help.. what kind of cards has he been raising with from EP?
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:17 AM
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I feel like I am in this situation way too often and it is always an awkward one for me. If i call and an ace falls where am i? If i call and get a queen high flop where am i? IMO i'd rather call this bet with 22 than AQ.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: AQ UTG+1 awful?

Also, this guy most likely knows what he is supposed to have and can probly bluff me of almost anyboard besides AQx.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: AQ UTG+1 awful?

This is a very quick fold, 90% due to position.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:28 AM
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This is a very quick fold, 90% due to position.

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Seriously...

You only have "position" on the raiser. You have horrible table position. I sometimes call this, sometimes fold, depends on the table, and the player.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: AQ UTG+1 awful?

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This is a very quick fold, 90% due to position.

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Would you play AQo on the button here? I would. I wouldn't love it but you can't always give the UTG raiser credit for AK, people open with a lot less.

The guy who said he'd rather have 22 than AQ probably had a valid point. In fact, 22 would be an easy call, if not for the fact that someone might raise behind you - but that's the problem with the original question, too. This situation comes up the time and I always dump AQo in EP to a normal raiser.
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