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#61
11-03-2005, 07:11 AM
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Re: Please Unban Josh whoever did it.
In my opinion, my single greatest strength as a moderator/admnistrator on this site is my willingness to be flexible in the light of new evidence.
Josh has been warned, and it is no longer necessary to enforce a five day suspension. Out of respect for Dynasty, I will only recommend that the ban be lifted. That said, if Dynasty follows my advice, and Josh comes right back with similar behavior, a longer suspension will be enforced by me. 
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#62
11-03-2005, 07:46 AM
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Re: Simple
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[ QUOTE ] I think common sense should be utilized rather than strictly following the t&c. Rules and laws need to be made for people that lack the ability to utilize common sense. [/ QUOTE ] Ah, now this is something different. I believe Jim is thinking along the right lines. Utilizing our own judgement is usually a much more effective means of moderation than coming up with strict rules for each forum. However, once these rules are created, they must apply to everyone. Essentially I am saying that the mods who create their own specific guidelines for their forums are actually limiting their own ability to make judgement calls. If these standard 'policies' and 'rules' (apart from what is already spelled out in the site's T&C) were not created in the first place, all the moderators would have to use their own judgement on how to handle a situation. If a rule would require that you sometimes ban or suspend a person, don't put it in your own guidelines. Wouldn't that be better? Also, think about how moderators would no longer be able to fall back on, "It's my policy, so it had to be done." No, any bans or suspensions they make will be about their own judgement of the situation. If that were the case, they could be held more directly accountable for these decisions. Let's face it... All situations and posters are not equal. So why should the moderators of these forums be creating rules which limit their own ability to make the right calls and use their own judgement? Isn't our supposed better than average judgement why we were made mods in the first place? Once you make something a rule or policy, it must apply to everyone. My solution: Don't make new rules. Use your judgement. If a decision isn't good, the only fault is that of the decision maker. Simple. [/ QUOTE ] We have our terms and conditions in writing. I consider it my job to apply these terms and conditions using my own judgment. It was the directive given to me by Mason about three years ago, and I believe it is the only directive I've passed on to moderators asking what was expected from them. So I agree with Cola. On the other hand, I have trusted the judgment of those who felt that in certain instances specific rules should be posted, and I still do. People may want to consider, however, that they may be restricting themselves unecessarily
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#63
11-03-2005, 10:36 AM
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Re: Simple
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I think common sense should be utilized rather than strictly following the t&c. Rules and laws need to be made for people that lack the ability to utilize common sense. [ QUOTE ] Ah, now this is something different. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Not really, it's what sane people have been doing for quite some time. [ QUOTE ] However, once these rules are created, they must apply to everyone. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Let's face it... All situations and posters are not equal. [/ QUOTE ] These two seem to conflict a bit. FWIW, I'm much more into the second one. [ QUOTE ] My solution: Don't make new rules. Use your judgement. If a decision isn't good, the only fault is that of the decision maker. [/ QUOTE ] This seems right to me, but I'm not quite sure what is different about it than we currently have. Is it just that we're getting rid of newer/mod imposed rules?
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#64
11-03-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: Please Unban Josh whoever did it.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Ask Dynasty for the specific wording of his rule. [/ QUOTE ] Good idea, I'll just check the forum sticky with all the rules in it. Oh wait.... [/ QUOTE ] It's ironic that late last night (before the problem with Josh), I made post in the WPT forum asking for help in creating a rules and FAQ post. It really blows me away that anybody would need it explicity stated that you can't come on the forums and start a thread for no purpose whatsoever other than to insult someone. If you needed it in writing, here it is from the Terms and Conditions. While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind Josh was not the only person suspended. There were 4 (or maybe 5) overall in a rash of flame posts that went up since last night. [/ QUOTE ] LOLLERSKATES! I hate to point out the elephant in the room, but...JOEYBITCH? Honestly, you know as well as any of us that these rules are useless when examined in a vacuum. I'm not going to get into the specifics of why banning Josh was a bad idea or how theses actions correlate perfectly with previous poor moderation on Dynasty's part, because that's already been covered (both in this thread and by me in the past).
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#65
11-03-2005, 01:56 PM
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Re: Please Unban Josh whoever did it.
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Josh has been warned, and it is no longer necessary to enforce a five day suspension. Out of respect for Dynasty, I will only recommend that the ban be lifted. That said, if Dynasty follows my advice, and Josh comes right back with similar behavior, a longer suspension will be enforced by me. [/ QUOTE ] Suspension lifted. I was probably going to do it after two days, anyway.
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#66
11-03-2005, 03:26 PM
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Re: Simple
Mat and the others understood it just fine, and nothing about my post is conflicting.
Note: When I said "This is something different," I meant that this is a different discussion than we had been having.
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#67
11-03-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Simple
I misunderstood. However, I think it is kind of I've been implying all along. There is too much banning b/c ppl are reading into the letter of the law. But, yes that hadn't been the topic of discussion in this thread.
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