Four Possibilities For Our Universes' Existence

[Jeff V]

I'm not trying to convert anyone.

Remeber that skit on SNL w/ Phil Hartman Caveman Lawyer? "I'm just a caveman, I don't understand your...". That would be so funny here. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I have dual purposes for this post. One obvious the other maybe not so obvious but nonetheless there.
Jeff

[Cooker]

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How about making it a rock slipping and falling in a higher dimensional space so that no other being is involved?

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And the IDEA that there MAY BE an intelligent designer is too far out for people that think this way? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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His point nis simply that the universe may have been created as a physical outcome of an event that occurred merely by chance in a larger multiverse. He isn't saying that this is certain, just possible. But just ignore this possibility in your "possibilities for our universe' existence" and continue to delude yourself into believing that you have logically "proven" the creator.

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Thank you for your help. I am done with this thread.

[chezlaw]

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I'm not trying to convert anyone.

I have dual purposes for this post. One obvious the other maybe not so obvious but nonetheless there.
Jeff

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Maybe if you tell us the purpose we could help. If the purpose is made impossible by telling us what it is then I can have suspicions as to its nature but they're not very charitable.

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Remeber that skit on SNL w/ Phil Hartman Caveman Lawyer? "I'm just a caveman, I don't understand your...". That would be so funny here. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Sorry, no idea.

chez

[RxForMoreCowbell]

Jeff V, I'm just an atheist. Your Christian world frightens me. Is God going to smite me with frogs because i'm not doing his bidding, will he flood my house tommorow and tell me to build a boat? I don't know. But there's one thing I do know, and it's that a finite creator should have been #5 on your list. Thank you your honor.

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I never totally discounted it, I said it was just as likely as any other conjecturing at this point. The bible doesn't even claim that God created the universe.

[txag007]

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You think the OP is really an "argument" for an outside creator? It is a collection of incomplete and unfounded assertions and nothing more.

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The universe created itself.

The universe has always existed.

The universe was created by an outside being.

(Or perhaps, as mentioned, the universe is an illusion.)

There are no other options. So what exactly is your point?

[hurlyburly]

Can we call him the "Suicide Big-Banger"?

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You think the OP is really an "argument" for an outside creator? It is a collection of incomplete and unfounded assertions and nothing more.

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The universe created itself.

The universe has always existed.

The universe was created by an outside being.

(Or perhaps, as mentioned, the universe is an illusion.)

There are no other options. So what exactly is your point?

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Those weren't the options he listed.

And, even so, there is another option:

The universe was created by an outside event [not a being].

[DougShrapnel]

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You think the OP is really an "argument" for an outside creator? It is a collection of incomplete and unfounded assertions and nothing more.

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The universe created itself.

The universe has always existed.

The universe was created by an outside being.

(Or perhaps, as mentioned, the universe is an illusion.)

There are no other options. So what exactly is your point?

[/ QUOTE ]6.)The big bang wasn't really an event, and the universe did not have a creation. For an explaination ask Hawkins.

7.) It makes no difference what created the universe or how the universe was created. As any infomation was wiped clean during creation.

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The "Uni-Banger"!!!!