Tough night and wanting to make sure I wasn't being too stupid

#1 12-05-2005, 12:36 AM

Well, just had to stop after a rough night in some SNGs. 0-11 to be exact, but I know you don't care. Anyway, just wanting to make sure I wasn't spewing on a few of my bust outs. Any advice or comments on these would be appreciated, as I think I'm a pretty decent player, but really trying to take it a bit further now, and this is the best way I know how to do it.

1) 4th hand of a 30+3 2 tabler SNG on PS, so no reads.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1480)
Hero (t1470)
Button (t1520)
SB (t1540)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1440)
UTG+1 (t1550)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, [color=#666666]4 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t80, Button calls t80, SB calls t70, [color=#666666]1 fold, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t340) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets t100, Button calls t100, SB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (t540) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets t200, Hero calls t200.

River: (t940) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets t300, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to t1140, Hero calls t790 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3170

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Ad Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Button has 4s 4h (full house, fours full of kings).
Outcome: Button wins t3170. 

2) 20 table SNG. I've been ridiculously card dead, playing 2 of first 55 hands. I finally see a pair. Lots of money out there by the time it gets to me. Is the push OK? And furthermore, what about his call?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP (t6349)
Button (t14794)
SB (t7325)
Hero (t3597)
UTG (t4680)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to t4630, [color=#666666]3 folds, Hero calls t2947 (All-In).

Flop: (t7777) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t7777) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t7777) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t7777

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has 8h 8c (one pair, eights).
UTG has Qh Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG wins t7777. 

3) Last one for now. $10, 5 table SNG, 28 people left and my stack is about average. No noticeable reads on villian here. I thought this was a no brainer push... is that right? And would most of you call the preflop raise if you were him?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t5765)
BB (t3295)
UTG (t1495)
MP1 (t3315)
MP2 (t1725)
CO (t950)
Hero (t2485)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
[color=#666666]1 fold, MP1 calls t150, [color=#666666]2 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t500, [color=#666666]1 fold, BB calls t350, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t1225) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]BB bets t600, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t1985, BB calls t1385.

Turn: (t5195) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)

River: (t5195) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)

Final Pot: t5195

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
BB has 9h Ac (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: BB wins t5195. 

Not sure what is going on with converter... sorry.

Yuv · #2 12-05-2005, 12:43 AM

a) bust.
c) bust.

b) I think the convertor has the action wrong. Did he push and you called?

#3 12-05-2005, 01:26 AM

I bust out in all 3 hands also.

webmonarch · #4 12-05-2005, 02:15 AM

ALthough the villain was kind of an idiot in the final hand he eventually had the odds to call, it looks like, esp. if he thought he had that A as an over. Bad luck on that one.

On the AK, I think you can get away from that. He could have had the set, like he did, but also KQ, K8, K4. That would have been a pretty nice laydown, but you have to think that he has something pretty darn good the way he bets right off the bat. I think you definitely can get away at the river, for sure, if not on the flop and turn.

#5 12-05-2005, 02:47 AM

I dont see myself getting away from any of these hands...im not folding my trip kings...i need to double up in hand #2 and 88 is a good spot to take a shot at that...and the last one...i'm calling this all day and hoping the next flush card doesnt hit...not bad play IMO at all.

#6 12-05-2005, 06:56 AM

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I bust out in all 3 hands also.

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raptor517 · #7 12-05-2005, 06:59 AM

i really dont understand why people post these hands. you know damn well you cant get away from any of htem, and on 2 of them you were dominatingly ahead on the flop when you got it in. stop trying to justify your bad beat post. holla

#8 12-05-2005, 09:36 AM

No no. I like to read the bad beats of others. Then my own ones don't hurt so much. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
BTW, in the first hand, maybe a check/call on the river would have been better. After a check and with the third flush card, it's not so easy for the button to go all-in and risking the opponent to fold without giving more money.

#9 12-05-2005, 10:31 AM

Thanks for the input guys. To raptor, I really wasn't meaning this as a bad beat post. Like I said, I just had one of those nights and really trying to make sure I'm not tilting and giving it away, and needed the reassurance. I appreciate the input everyone. In looking back, I probably COULD have gotten away from hand 1, but I've seem absolutely horrendous plays early on in these SNGs and wouldn't put it past someone to have any pocket pair or and K there, and just felt I was committed to it.

jedinite · #10 12-05-2005, 12:54 PM

FWIW, I wouldn't have check-called the turn on hand #1, when the blank hits. I'd most often be check-raising the turn if my opponent is aggressive, or leading the turn. Last thing you want to do in that situation is give the free card to the likely flush-draw. When I check-raise the turn, all the money is likely going in the middle there.

I do think putting your money in the middle on the end when the flush hits is probably a bad play. What likely hand are you ahead of, besides KJ, maybe AQ/QJ?