Who raises this river?

Zele · #1 05-17-2005, 01:31 PM

Does the overcall value outweigh scooping an otherwise split pot?

Anyone raise the turn? I figured the only hand I could KO that I wanted out would be an underpair, and given the strong split possibility I didn't think an extra bet from 2pairs would be worth much edge.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (17 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP2 raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

River: (22.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB

brettbrettr · #2 05-17-2005, 01:34 PM

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Can you put them both on sets instead? AA and TT? I like a raise, I think.

KDawgCometh · #3 05-17-2005, 01:48 PM

why wasn't the turn capped. easy river raise considering all of the turn action. Overcalls are usually a bad idea as there are few times when it is correct to go for them

brettbrettr · #4 05-17-2005, 02:12 PM

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Can you put them both on sets instead? AA and TT? I like a raise, I think.

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This is awesome. I just advised raising quads and aces full. For the love of god, cap the s**t outn of the turn. If someone comes out betting after the board pairs I just call.

meep_42 · #5 05-17-2005, 02:15 PM

How did you not find a raise with the nuts on the turn?

I can see raising the flop to knock out any Ks or Ts, as well.

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slogger · #6 05-17-2005, 02:50 PM

The river is the only postflop street that I think you played correctly.

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Flop: (17 SB) J, A, Q (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

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Why are you not raising this flop? I think you should raise both for value and to give naked Kings and Tens less favorable odds to draw to their gusthots.

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Turn: (10.50 BB) T (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP2 raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

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Anyone raise the turn? I figured the only hand I could KO that I wanted out would be an underpair, and given the strong split possibility I didn't think an extra bet from 2pairs would be worth much edge.

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What are you trying to say here? You've got the nuts. Why are you just calling? You should be putting in as many bets as possible on 4th street. You're not concerned with "KO'ing" anybody at this point, least of all, an underpair, which would be drawing thin to a split against you. By the way, you have the nuts.

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River: (22.50 BB) T (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB folds.

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Tough spot. I think you're probably splitting this pot three ways. But I think you'd have more information about your opponents hands if you had been aggressive on the flop and turn.

NOTE: do not include results (you didn't here) or the decision you made and the resulting action when you're asking for comments on what action to take at a specific point in a hand (i.e., knowing that you just called and that MP called behind closing the action colors what I think about MP's holding and may affect my advice on whether or not to raise the river).

sfwusc · #7 05-17-2005, 02:51 PM

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Fat Nicky · #8 05-17-2005, 02:55 PM

This hand is an all around horror show.

You didn't raise the flop, you didn't raise nor cap the turn.

I makes no sense to me why you won't raise the turn with the nuts, but you're contemplating a river raise when it could be quite possible you just got outdrawn.

MattC · #9 05-17-2005, 03:05 PM

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I makes no sense to me why you won't raise the turn with the nuts, but you're contemplating a river raise when it could be quite possible you just got outdrawn.

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its obvious because r in river comes before the letter t in turn in the alphabet.

Fat Nicky · #10 05-17-2005, 03:08 PM

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I makes no sense to me why you won't raise the turn with the nuts, but you're contemplating a river raise when it could be quite possible you just got outdrawn.

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its obvious because r in river comes before the letter t in turn in the alphabet.

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that totally flew right by me.