Another tough AI call decision early

sirio11 · #1 10-02-2005, 05:52 PM

100k guaranteed Paradise. You have Kd8c in the BB with a 1500 stack. Blinds 15-30, UTG calls, LB completes, you check.

Flop: Td8d3d

You bet 70 into the 90 pot and UTG goes all in, he covers you.

Call or fold?

C-Dog · #2 10-02-2005, 05:59 PM

I dont see why this one is so tough? Looks like an instamuck to me.

C-Dog

Exitonly · #3 10-02-2005, 06:01 PM

pair and 2nd nut flush draw isn't instamuch... but i think it is a muck... if you were the one pushing it'd be better.. w/ fold equity and such.

C-Dog · #4 10-02-2005, 06:03 PM

The pot is really tiny, and you could be drawing completely dead. I can't ever see calling here, but most of you are better tourney players than I am. I would love to hear some more reasoning for making a call here.

C-Dog

sirio11 · #5 10-02-2005, 06:03 PM

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I dont see why this one is so tough? Looks like an instamuck to me.

C-Dog

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If you have AsAc instead of the Kd8c, you call? or it's an instamuck also?

Crispy · #6 10-02-2005, 06:03 PM

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I dont see why this one is so tough? Looks like an instamuck to me.

C-Dog

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If you have AsAc instead of the Kd8c, you call? or it's an instamuck also?

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Instamuck. Call if you have AdAc.

Exitonly · #7 10-02-2005, 06:06 PM

That's enough w/ the instamucking... hands recquire some thought.. i don't think anyn of those situations are that clear...

even w/ AA no diamond, i might be calling there, you're 30% vs a semibluffed flush draw.

C-Dog · #8 10-02-2005, 06:07 PM

Maybe not instamuck, but pretty damn quickly for me at least.

C-Dog

Crispy · #9 10-02-2005, 06:10 PM

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That's enough w/ the instamucking... hands recquire some thought.. i don't think anyn of those situations are that clear...

even w/ AA no diamond, i might be calling there, you're 30% vs a semibluffed flush draw.

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Alright, this is true you are 30% against a semibluffed flushdraw. BUt this early, do you really think the chances of him being on a semibluffed flush draw are that good? I could possibly seem him doing this withAd and pair on the board, or set, two pair. But against any of those hands with Kd8c you are set up to lose imo. I think that in the later levels of a tournament I could see a call here, but this early and without any good reads I think we can safely fold here and look to find a better spot.

C-Dog · #10 10-02-2005, 06:05 PM

I am not sure I would call with the off Aces. But its closer for me. With the Aces, there is an OK chance I am ahead, and that he is pushing with a T or a Flush draw. I cant see being ahead here, but does the draw make you a favorite over a top pair type hand?

C-Dog