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Old 10-09-2005, 01:16 PM
mcguw mcguw is offline
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When playing Omaha live, I will often arrange my hole cards in a manner to help organize my board reading. I do this for every hand. Is this a mistake?
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:38 PM
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Do you arrange them face up on the table? That would be a tell.
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Old 10-10-2005, 02:49 PM
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Do you arrange them face up on the table? That would be a tell.

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Old 10-10-2005, 09:43 PM
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Do you arrange them face up on the table? That would be a tell.

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If you look close, you can see my lips silently mouthing the suits and ranks of my cards.

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Old 10-09-2005, 02:09 PM
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You should be memorizing your cards and not looking back. You should know what you have.

I forgot who said, "You can tell how good an Omaha player is by how many times he has to look back at his hole cards during the hand."

If you have to look back, you will get outplayed at the higher limits. Memorize them, then don't look again.

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Old 10-10-2005, 03:48 PM
Notorious G.O.B. Notorious G.O.B. is offline
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Default Re: Tell?

Out of curiousity, do good chinese poker or gin rummy players organize their hands, or leave them as they're drawn?
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Old 10-10-2005, 06:47 PM
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In Chinese I've seen everyone arrange their hands. I think that it can almost be played by rote. Maybe 999 times out of 1000 hands it wouldn't make a difference. There are times when knowing how an opponent sets his hand will make a difference, but that is more of a general knowledge of opposition, rather than watching him set his hand.

In Gin, I think the difference between "good" and "great" has much more disparity than in Poker or Chinese. While I haven't seen "great" players playing Gin, I have heard stories. Stories of almost instant card memorization and not looking back until one is knocking or declaring Gin. Scary.

I highly take advantage of the looky-loo's playing live O8. I don't think they have any idea how much they are giving away.

I also do the reverse tell sometimes if I'm in wise company and know I'm being watched. It only works the first time, but sometimes that is all it takes, especially in a final table tourney situation.

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Old 10-10-2005, 12:05 PM
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Quite Possibly.

Growing up I used to play a game with my Grandmother we called "Ace is wild". In short, I knew my Grandmother held all her "wild cards" on the left of the hand and her junk cards on the right of her hand. I knew once she started moving cards from the left, inside other cards she was close to going out. Similiarly, when she stopped discarding cards from the immediate right of her hand, all cards were working and she was also close to going out. If she was close to going out and I wasn't, I'd start discarding my high cards which were counted against me at the end of the hand if i didn't win. This little tell got me quite a few bowls of Ice Cream [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Back to Omaha, I don't know what you do but chances are good if you do it every hand people may pick up on something. Maybe simple like "He's going for high, or he's going for low". So I would defintitely try to work past it before you move off the lowest stakes.
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Old 10-10-2005, 12:28 PM
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What stakes are you playing? I highly doubt that at low/mid-level stakes anyone is looking for a tell. They are too busy looking at their own cards and trying to figure out whether they should call a pfr with 2-4-J-K off.
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Old 10-10-2005, 03:45 PM
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I play the lowest stakes I can find, either 3-6 or 4-8. I'm new to Omaha and Omaha H/L, but have done okay so far. Early on I made some fairly embarrassing mistakes misreading the board, but have gotten much better (No mistakes in months). I know I should memorize my cards, but for whatever reason I often misassociate suits with numbers. I've found that by placing my cards in numerical order, I can check cards quickly to make sure that I have what I think I have. I hope that no one else is able to see my cards when I check them, but that is something I should think about. Anyone have any good memory tricks?
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