($27) Raise size question

[Irieguy]

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This post started of much better and hard hitting but I accidently deleted it coz Im a bit drunk. I tried re typing it but seemed to have missed something out/forgoten something that detracts greatly form the massive insight that this post was initialy. Shame.

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I really, really like this disclaimer. I think I'm going to make it my signature.

Irieguy

Umm.. there's a mathematical answer to this question. Use ICM, throw in the odds of hitting a set, and mess around with various % chances of doubling up/getting stacked/earning a pot sized bet, etc. I imagine you can get a good idea of % of effective stack you can call preflop.

[The Yugoslavian]

Yup, been there.

The real issue of course is the %s you use. If beefy and I did the same calculations he'd get like +3000% ROI based on tripling through like almost all the time and I'd get a slight loss.

Yugoslav

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Yup, been there.

The real issue of course is the %s you use. If beefy and I did the same calculations he'd get like +3000% ROI based on tripling through like almost all the time and I'd get a slight loss.

Yugoslav

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It'd be nice to actually see this worked out. I'd do it myself if I thought I had a good grasp of the %s.

[durron597]

Alright, my thoughts on preflop. You have to win 8 times as preflop to break even. So call it 9-10 times to make it a real profit. If you only do it half the time, then you need to make 18-20x the raise. So if I can stack a guy once in 18 times I see the flop for 80 chips, then I need to have 1440 chips in my stack. I have more than that.

So I think 80 chips is a call and 100 chips isn't, unless I am certain the pot will be multiway.

[cha59]

Before I read any of the repies I was thinking raise this to 650 - 700.

I think a push is ok and a raise as small as 500 is ok.